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TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

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Samus has a freakin' power suit.

Dumb it down, if you want, but it's still got great defensive ablilities. It'd take bullets like nobody's business.

Snake has no armor to protect from a rocket. None. One hit from that and he's dead.
Allowing beams would also allow for a superior rapid fire weapon than Snake's gun.
If you wanna say, "She can't spam somfing leik dat!", then she can shoot single blasts at a lower rate of fire, but still potent and effective. She can easily tank bullets.


Snake has to set up his RPG. Samus already has it ready for launch. Snake can't survive a rocket. As for Samus, taking things into more realistic standards, then one hit from the RPG will either:

screw over circuitry and render certain performances null
kill her from the sheer impact

But what I say to this is if she was allowed Chozo DNA in the previous MU, then it can be said that she'll tank an RPG, but in no way take another one.

Mobility can be in Snake's favour. Samus would be slow and sluggish, even with "allowed" space technology.

Snake has explosives that can either damage or cripple Samus while she has weapons that can kill Snake with ease.

Pretty much my take on it atm.
 

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Oh, I forgot, Power Suit.


"From enough superpower to load a missile, to enough grace to play football" remember?

With that in mind, I doubt she is going to be as sluggish or weak as we thought.

She would probably beat snake in Melee.
 

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Why the heck would the Power Suit be resistant to bullets? Taking it out of context and into the world of Metroid, little BUGS with sharp fangs can KILL you... now imagine an object a little less sharp than those fangs, but travelling maybe 500 times faster...THAT couldn't pierce the Power Suit? Bullets do pierce the Power Suit, it'd take a few hits, but with an AN94 it shouldn't take that long.

Now for firepower:
Samus has got the Power Beam and the Wave Beam, using the PB on little insects takes 6 hits, WB only 2 (in Metroid Prime). So you can assume they lack killing power when not charged.

Snake has a rifle which fires at a much faster rate, and when fired at her face, her visor would probably shatter or something. It can also be used to counter any missile Samus would fire.

As for training, both have had different trainings, Snake is a super-soldier, who is trained in stealth, CQC and all kinds of armament. He also has an IQ of 180, which should also be taken into this matchup. Samus is a bounty-hunter, trained in using her Power Suit and all the benefits it gives, is quite speedy for such a big suit, lacks the smarts sometimes (look at what stupid situations she gets in games) but is pretty smart on the battlefield.

Compare these, and you'll see that it's a draw on long range combat, but Snake wins in close combat, because of CQC training (I'm convinced it works, even on a Power Suit) and simply outwitting, he could just throw Samus down on her foreside and shoot some bullets in the back of her head or neck (which is a weak point of Samus, looking at how there's barely sturdy armor).

Snake wins imo
 

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Pretty sure someone linked to it before, but basically the laser that killed the robot in Transformers 2.
Why the heck would the Power Suit be resistant to bullets? Taking it out of context and into the world of Metroid, little BUGS with sharp fangs can KILL you... now imagine an object a little less sharp than those fangs, but travelling maybe 500 times faster...THAT couldn't pierce the Power Suit? Bullets do pierce the Power Suit, it'd take a few hits, but with an AN94 it shouldn't take that long.
Bugs that A) can siphon energy directly out of the suit, B) have toxins capable of corroding various metals, and C) are from species that are different from the ones we know. Shriekbats could have the bite force 10x that of a crocodile for all we know. On top of that, Samus gets hit with bullets, plasma, and lazers without so much as flinching. Going by the games.

Now for firepower:
Samus has got the Power Beam and the Wave Beam, using the PB on little insects takes 6 hits, WB only 2 (in Metroid Prime). So you can assume they lack killing power when not charged.
By the game. And it could take hundreds of bullets(MP2 states it takes 20 rounds of Fed. ammo to take down Splinters) from human-made guns to kill those same creatures.

Snake has a rifle which fires at a much faster rate, and when fired at her face, her visor would probably shatter or something. It can also be used to counter any missile Samus would fire.
Samus could just as easily headshot Snake, and you don't need to aim with a heat-seeking missile at range to kill.

As for training, both have had different trainings, Snake is a super-soldier, who is trained in stealth, CQC and all kinds of armament. He also has an IQ of 180, which should also be taken into this matchup. Samus is a bounty-hunter, trained in using her Power Suit and all the benefits it gives, is quite speedy for such a big suit, lacks the smarts sometimes (look at what stupid situations she gets in games) but is pretty smart on the battlefield.
Pics Proof or gtfo

Compare these, and you'll see that it's a draw on long range combat, but Snake wins in close combat, because of CQC training (I'm convinced it works, even on a Power Suit) and simply outwitting, he could just throw Samus down on her foreside and shoot some bullets in the back of her head or neck (which is a weak point of Samus, looking at how there's barely sturdy armor).

The armor is as durable/sturdy as it gets. If the MK I version of Iron Man's suit can deflect a bullet(07:08), then Samus is good.


I still stand by my decision of not arguing for this, but I had to at least get those.
 

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Samus has a futureistic battle suit that can stand more than a bullet, think of it their in the future and that means they have evolved beyond guns.

She also has a suit that can withstand extreme heat like magma so I don't think that a block of C-4 will do much of anything.

this battle can also be a battle of endurance which obviously means that it ends in Samus favor because unlike snake she has an unlimited amount of ammo while Snake has bullets and grenades she has an unknown energy source with limitless power and if it does have a limit it must reach beyond her lifetime so it wont run out too soon.
 

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Samus can survive at least 2 shots in armor while Snake is a human and dies in one hit.
Samus won.
Unless Snake can use his Railgun fast.
 

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Why the heck would the Power Suit be resistant to bullets? Taking it out of context and into the world of Metroid, little BUGS with sharp fangs can KILL you... now imagine an object a little less sharp than those fangs, but travelling maybe 500 times faster...THAT couldn't pierce the Power Suit? Bullets do pierce the Power Suit, it'd take a few hits, but with an AN94 it shouldn't take that long.
Game mechanic. Same deal with any Nintendo game you play. Mario touches a goomba. He turns small. He runs into a wall. No prob.
Same deal with Link. At the end of the game, the simpliest of enemies drains your hearts.

In game, Samus runs on Energy Tanks. You get so much health reserves that touching any ol' enemy will do something to you just so the bar goes down.

Running into a little alien bug that you faced in the first world with the Light Suit in Echoes, you get hurt. Game mechanic.

IRL, a suit of advanced armor that protects against futuristic missles and lasers would easily protect from a bullet. Hands down. She isn't wearing aluminum here.



Now for firepower:
Samus has got the Power Beam and the Wave Beam, using the PB on little insects takes 6 hits, WB only 2 (in Metroid Prime). So you can assume they lack killing power when not charged.

IRL, a beam of highly charged electricity or the beam of a sheering hot plasma or w/e would kill any human. No questions asked. The Wave beam could very well not shoot the way it does in Prime, but it's still a blast of electricity that would severly shock or kill a human.




Snake has a rifle which fires at a much faster rate, and when fired at her face, her visor would probably shatter or something. It can also be used to counter any missile Samus would fire.

A gun that fires bullets that can't penetrate her space age alien armor. Too add to that, her visor wouldn't be the kind in a motorcycle helmet. It'd be made durable to protect against punishing blows and weapons. Snake would need to get in dangerously close to simply aim right at her visor.
But do bullets pierce a rockets hide to cause it to explode upon contact? Serious question. Does it? Seen it in games and movies, but does that really work IRL?




As for training, both have had different trainings, Snake is a super-soldier, who is trained in stealth, CQC and all kinds of armament. He also has an IQ of 180, which should also be taken into this matchup. Samus is a bounty-hunter, trained in using her Power Suit and all the benefits it gives, is quite speedy for such a big suit, lacks the smarts sometimes (look at what stupid situations she gets in games) but is pretty smart on the battlefield.

Snake's intelligence barely shown in game. He'd knowledgable about weapons, but he's no rocket scientist. IQ is only the measure of your brains potential, not necessarily knowledge. Someone can have the IQ of 103, but surpase the knowledge of someone else who's got the IQ of 135. It would have been more difficult for the 103 guy, but he can still out think someone who's got a higher IQ. It's to measure someone's potential, not overall knowledge.

In battle, IQ would play a very minimal role, if any. Samus isn't dumb as you make her seem. She stumbles upon situations by surprise. Just like Snake does.

ex. MGS3: Snake trusts EVA, but she betrays him in the end. Snake got caught by Volkin with his disguise which lost him his eye as well as being brutally beaten. Snake trusted the Boss, who also betrayed him which landed him into being severly wounded. Snake got caught by Ocelot and was surrounded by soldiers.

Samus has her fair share of problems, but they were all a result of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Neither could have controlled what could've gone wrong. Saying Samus' landed herself in dangerous situations out of stupidity is completely bias.

In regards to training, they're both at their best, but Snake was still bested by other highly trained soldiers (the Boss, for instance).




Compare these, and you'll see that it's a draw on long range combat, but Snake wins in close combat, because of CQC training (I'm convinced it works, even on a Power Suit) and simply outwitting, he could just throw Samus down on her foreside and shoot some bullets in the back of her head or neck (which is a weak point of Samus, looking at how there's barely sturdy armor).

Snake wins imo

CQC would be downright useless in this fight. It won't do anything and would be a foolish manuver in a weapon battle. She has more than enough weapons to keep him away as does Snake, only Samus' will actually kill. Not to mention he has absolutely no approach. He can't get near her. If she was capable of super combat as Zamus, then she'd gonna beat Snake by a landslide in that suit.

Long range is Samus with her beam weapons. They destroy guns and she can't be hurt by them.
Samus' rocket is already better by not requiring lengthly set up, like an RPG does. Samus wins there.
Samus has armor. Snake has none.

Another example of how deadly Samus is IRL, even though she fails in Brawl.

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Snake has no armor.
Overall Samus has better weapons to fit the situation.

I don't know how Snake would win.
 

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Game mechanic. Same deal with any Nintendo game you play. Mario touches a goomba. He turns small. He runs into a wall. No prob.
Same deal with Link. At the end of the game, the simpliest of enemies drains your hearts.

In game, Samus runs on Energy Tanks. You get so much health reserves that touching any ol' enemy will do something to you just so the bar goes down.

Running into a little alien bug that you faced in the first world with the Light Suit in Echoes, you get hurt. Game mechanic.

IRL, a suit of advanced armor that protects against futuristic missles and lasers would easily protect from a bullet. Hands down. She isn't wearing aluminum here.

You dont know what she is wearing, and even tho in the game it dosent say exactly(or does i duno) you still take damage, and even on the game it (kinda) says she can still take damage from bullets. So yeah, she will eventually be hurt by bullets.


IRL, a beam of highly charged electricity or the beam of a sheering hot plasma or w/e would kill any human. No questions asked. The Wave beam could very well not shoot the way it does in Prime, but it's still a blast of electricity that would severly shock or kill a human.
The lasers/electricity as you know them in Metroid are pretty unrealistic to now-a-days standarts, meaning she cant shoot plasma from her canon, nor shoot a thunder from it. At top, the laser gun would shoot a laser as hot as, i duno, 100/150C top? And even this dosent kill imediatly.



A gun that fires bullets that can't penetrate her space age alien armor. Too add to that, her visor wouldn't be the kind in a motorcycle helmet. It'd be made durable to protect against punishing blows and weapons. Snake would need to get in dangerously close to simply aim right at her visor.
But do bullets pierce a rockets hide to cause it to explode upon contact? Serious question. Does it? Seen it in games and movies, but does that really work IRL?
Yeah, they do, some bullets are actually made just to do that, they have a different "front", which usually varies from bullet to bullet, and varies for what were they made for. I mean, there are even bullets that can pierce diamond, so yeah, some bullets can actually pierce the suit/visor.

And snake dosent need to be close, his weapons have good aim, and he kinda has a sniper rifle, and with the 1337 training he had as a soldier he can easily shoot the visor if he was allowed to aim.



Snake's intelligence barely shown in game. He'd knowledgable about weapons, but he's no rocket scientist. IQ is only the measure of your brains potential, not necessarily knowledge. Someone can have the IQ of 103, but surpase the knowledge of someone else who's got the IQ of 135. It would have been more difficult for the 103 guy, but he can still out think someone who's got a higher IQ. It's to measure someone's potential, not overall knowledge.


A IQ of 180 means that you can think faster and actually find better solutions for situations faster than other people.

And your example is like saying: "Sometimes a weak guy can win a bulky guy, so weak guy > bulky guy". Not really, you cant take exceptions as a rule, so straight forward saying, snake will react/think faster than samus.


In battle, IQ would play a very minimal role, if any. Samus isn't dumb as you make her seem. She stumbles upon situations by surprise. Just like Snake does.


Snake will be making better tactics that can actually surpass the technology issue he has.


ex. MGS3: Snake trusts EVA, but she betrays him in the end. Snake got caught by Volkin with his disguise which lost him his eye as well as being brutally beaten. Snake trusted the Boss, who also betrayed him which landed him into being severly wounded. Snake got caught by Ocelot and was surrounded by soldiers.

Samus has her fair share of problems, but they were all a result of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.


With all his experience snake has learned over the time, just look to MSG4, whereas samus even in the most recent games still to the same dumb things(like link breaking a key everytime he uses it :p, kudos for reference).


Neither could have controlled what could've gone wrong. Saying Samus' landed herself in dangerous situations out of stupidity is completely bias.

In regards to training, they're both at their best, but Snake was still bested by other highly trained soldiers (the Boss, for instance).
I agree, saying samus is dumb is bias, but the truth is, samus isnt dumb, its snake that is smarter.

CQC would be downright useless in this fight. It won't do anything and would be a foolish manuver in a weapon battle. She has more than enough weapons to keep him away as does Snake, only Samus' will actually kill. Not to mention he has absolutely no approach. He can't get near her. If she was capable of super combat as Zamus, then she'd gonna beat Snake by a landslide in that suit.
With CQC snake can just choke samus and she wont be able to do nothing. He can even remove her helmet if he is given the chance to CQC her. I know samus has good melee, but snake was trained for a long time just on CQC, meaning he should have the adv here.


Long range is Samus with her beam weapons. They destroy guns and she can't be hurt by them.
Samus' rocket is already better by not requiring lengthly set up, like an RPG does. Samus wins there.
Samus has armor. Snake has none.


Beam weapons dont destroy bullets, because actually a temp of even 500C, wont melt the bullets, just explode rockets, so then bullets will tank the laser just fine. Plus, bullets go throught it, you were the one that said it(the bug things).

She has a very limited amount of them, and they explode on bulelt contact, so if she tries to shoot one and its hit by a bullet near her, G_G;

Snake dosent need armor :O.


Another example of how deadly Samus is IRL, even though she fails in Brawl.

GG's
Never GG before the time arrives :D.
 

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SPAAAAAAAM to help the cause.

Now seriously, how can Samus dodge a shot that takes one second to charge and goes thru anything?

Sanke is like a smaller Galleom that can actually aim and turn around.
 

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Can't Samus grapple->fire projectile->GG?
Snake still has no armor and Samus can force CQC with the grapple alone. If not just that, she can grapple his (insert Snake weapon here) and ender it useless.
 

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The grapple has limited range, and the weapon I am talking about only requires 1 second to fire a shot that goes 7 times fiaster than the speed of sound and can pierce battleships.

Of course, this is going to be on a smaller scale, but then again, Samus is also smaller than a battleship.



But whatever, maybe Samus could shoot his weapon with the power beam?
 

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The grapple has limited range, and the weapon I am talking about only requires 1 second to fire a shot that goes 7 times fiaster than the speed of sound and can pierce battleships.

Of course, this is going to be on a smaller scale, but then again, Samus is also smaller than a battleship.
Is aiming it easy due to its power?
If it's hard to aim Samus' got this.
If not Samus is screwed.
 

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Hey I don't know too much from Metroid, but I believe someone brought up that point before. But can Snake's railgun do that much if its smaller?
 

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Limited range I said. The grapple beam really has a short reach. The longest it has ever been its in super metroid, and even then it didn't went farther than a few meters.



But I guess this could be solved if we considered the power beam a railgun. If that's the case, then it is a draw.



And Nova: It won't be piercing battleships, but it would pierce power suits.
 

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Hey I don't know too much from Metroid, but I believe someone brought up that point before. But can Snake's railgun do that much if its smaller?
I'd imagine i'd be weaker but it's still going to kill Samus lol.
But:
  • Can Snake aim it?
  • Can Snake keep hold of it with that much power?
 

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Well I guess it (again) plays out in the enviorment. If Snake can use stealth then I have him firing first. If not, Samus does have a gun connected to her arm.

If Snake can't control it then it's either useless or too much of a threat on his own life.
Take Pichu for example.
 

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1) Yes. It would be like aiming a smaller RPG.

2) Hell no. He will fall flat in his butt with a single shot.

But still, he only needs 1 shot very accurate shot to kill samus, and since the power suit slows her down a notch...
 

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1) Yes. It would be like aiming a smaller RPG.

2) Hell no. He will fall flat in his butt with a single shot.

But still, he only needs 1 shot very accurate shot to kill samus.
Let me rephrase that.
  • Will Snake be able to aim it to hit something as small as Samus?
  • Can Snake aim it without falling over beforethe missle (w/e) comes out?


Samus has faster access to her weapons. This and her weapons are strong.
 

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1) Yes. With the proper weapon sight installed in the weapon it would only be a case of aiming, shooting and then forgetting. Samus can't dodge that bullet.

Which, of course, it has:



2) No. It is not THAT heavy.
 

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1) Yes. With the proper weapon sight installed in the weapon it would only be a case of aiming, shooting and then forgetting. Samus can't dodge that bullet.

Which of course, it has:



2) No. It is not THAT heavy.
Ok ok you win.

But still, Samus has her weapons ready, she doesn't need to pick them up.
Samus wins due to having access to her weapon faster.
 

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1) Yes. With the proper weapon sight installed in the weapon it would only be a case of aiming, shooting and then forgetting. Samus can't dodge that bullet.

Which of course, it has:

Is THAT it? Samus looks screwed then...and the weight isn't important as long as Snake can shoot first. Then again, if he whiffs a shot then...
 

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I never understood how the same place could shoot tons of differnt things just without any delay.

Answer me how she does that, and where the hell she stores all her amo, and maybe i would consider samus being able to fight(aka this is not a canon mu).
 

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I see it this way:
Snake has weapon is hand: Tie/Snake, Samus dies first but they both die anyway lol.
Snake has weapon on the floor: Samus, she has her weapon out already.
Snake has weapon on his back: Samus, read above.
 

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The railgun is just too much hax. It is a super sniper.

The only way I can see Samus beating that it's if we consider the power beam a railgun. Then she would shoot faster than Snake. She needs that because her guns suck.

Realistic missiles are very innacurate and would act like Metroid Prime's 3 missiles, whoich did a lot of spinning. Except they would be worse.

Power beam, if not a railgun, then it would suck because Snake's suit is heat-proof.

Grapple beam lacks range.

The only usefull thing is....holy ****, wave beam has an electric effect. Wave beam is an electrolaser.


GG Snake.

Snake can't shoot railgun if he is paralyzed by thunder almost as fast as light.
 

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The railgun is just too much hax. It is a super sniper.

The only way I can see Samus beating that it's if we consider the power beam a railgun. Then she would shoot faster than Snake. She needs that because her guns suck.

Realistic missiles are very innacurate and would act like Metroid Prime's 3 missiles, whoich did a lot of spinning. Except they would be worse.

Power beam, if not a railgun, then it would suck because Snake's suit is heat-proof.

Grapple beam lacks range.

The only usefull thing is....holy ****, wave beam has an electric effect. Wave beam is an electrolaser.


GG Snake.

Snake can't shoot railgun if he is paralyzed.
This.
next mu.

Samus wins due to being prepared.
Which reminds me of Hoodwinked.
Samus came prepared.
Always be prepared.
BE PREPARED BE PREPARED..................
 

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Big Railgun is 7 times faster than speed of sound. Small railgun is much slower than that.

Electrolaser is almost as fast as speed of light.


Speed of light>15 times speed of sound>>>>>>7 times speed of sound.


I SAY SNAKE IS SCREWED.

WHO AGREES?
 

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big Railgun Is 7 Times Faster Than Speed Of Sound. Small Railgun Is Much Slower Than That.

Electrolaser Is Almost As Fast As Speed Of Light.


Speed Of Light>15 Times Speed Of Sound>>>>>>7 Times Speed Of Sound.
SAMUS WAS PREPARED!
ALWAYS BE PREPARED, RED!
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
USE THE HOOD, RED. USE THE HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol I loved that movie.

And yes I agree Snake is screwed.
 

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I dont.

Snake has a easier time aiming manual weapons(no imba visor for samus here), and he should shoot accurately first.

Plus, actually, snakes weapons is a OHKO, whreas samus "shock gun" dosent stun/paralize, it only shocks your for a bit, it wont hurt more than a ordinarry bullet tho, and wont paralise.

A "eletric" stuff can only paralise you if its a non-stop flow of electricity, which in case you will stay "shocked" untill it ends. But samus just shoots it, she dosent maintain a stream of it, so yeah, it wont paralise snake.

This win is for snake :d.
 

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Douple post for TL;DR.

Samus cant paralise with her weapon because it isnt a stream of shock permanently.

Snake has better aim(no visor for samus).

And if samus stoped shooting the "wave" snake would be release of a shocking state.

Result: Snake ftw.
 
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