Tech_Chase wants YOU to assist in the BBR MU Chart project!

[bubbaking]

Oh great, yes, I'm still interested. Thanks a lot! I'll do my best.

 

[Bobwithlobsters]

jealous... I am going to message the organizers of this about making the debates open once the discussions end. I would love so much to see that discussion. I would think tech chase would have video of ddd vs shielda with him having tutu to play.

 

[bubbaking]

I watched all of those. Tutu went straight up Sheik all the time. I can't remember one single instance where Tutu went Zelda during his Sheik matches against TC.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

He rarely does vs me. Plus he's more of a Sheik main than a Shielda.

 

[Bobwithlobsters]

Isn't that mostly cause shiek is better than zelda in almost every way? Doesn't tutu use zelda at least a little bit more regularly in doubles? He did at least when he visited minnesota.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Isn't that mostly cause shiek is better than zelda in almost every way? Doesn't tutu use zelda at least a little bit more regularly in doubles? He did at least when he visited minnesota.

Vs D3 , yeah Sheik does so much better vs us.

In doubles, yeah he generally used Zelda more because as he puts it "Sheik in doubles would be decent if Metaknight wasn't there and outclasses her in pretty much every way" or something along those lines lol. Plus Zelda is gay in doubles when their partner can keep them covered long enough to spam Din's lol.

 

[bubbaking]

Hey, uh, I was just wondering: when am I supposed to receive that message from SAMI?

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

They told me to wait and see what happens with Vex before I take action.

I will message you when it's official.

 

[bubbaking]

Oh ok, sure thing.

 

[Exdeath]

Alright, Fox is done. On to the next MU!



Thanks man but I already found a bunch of Coney matches and a set from 4GOD. Tbh, I'm mostly just looking at American matches because I'm not as well-versed with the Japanese scene as I am with the American scene and, other than very popular top players like 9B and such, I'm not really familiar with who's 'good'. As for TC's set, I'm kinda confused. Is that Fox's tag actually "False"? Because I saw him using "NAKAT" in the match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX0GqWK_msU

 

[bubbaking]

Lolz, I already said I was avoiding Japanese matches.

Thanks man but I already found a bunch of Coney matches and a set from 4GOD. Tbh, I'm mostly just looking at American matches because I'm not as well-versed with the Japanese scene as I am with the American scene and, other than very popular top players like 9B and such, I'm not really familiar with who's 'good'.

 

[Exdeath]

Lolz, I already said I was avoiding Japanese matches.

The reason that you gave for avoiding Japanese videos was your ignorance, therefore I gave you one of the only and, consequently, best videos of the MU from the Japanese scene.

You're welcome...

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Alright so it looks like I gotta drop Vex from the panel. Sadface. bubba, I just messaged Ish. You should be getting some instructions soon.

 

[bubbaking]

Cool beans. Thanks a lot!

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

No problem. I'm sure you'll do well back there. Welcome aboard.

 

[SoulPech]

I'm tempted to have a picture of Uncle Sam with TC's face on it because Tech_Chase wants YOU!

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I thought about that tbh.

 

[SoulPech]

I dunno. Seeing Uncle Sam's face on a young, black guy would look hilarious.

 

[Hoejja]

Guys i know you are secretly working for the panels, but anything you'd share about the lucario matchup ? i have to beat one in a month so i want to be prepared :d

is the dthrow to usmash possible?

 

[bubbaking]

Yes, dthrow > JC usmash is possible.

 

[Bobwithlobsters]

What are the inputs for that again? I know it has to be buffered right?

 

[bubbaking]

I believe it's dthrow > tap left/right > press X/Y/Jump button > flick up on C-stick.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I use R for Jump instead. Makes it way easier.

Also we can't openly discuss things that have been said back there. You can PM me or the others (if they want) if you want advice.

 

[bubbaking]

Oh, I hope my post didn't qualify as overly revealing. I tried to make it as succinct and short as possible.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Update for all you penguin folk:

The next phase of the panel has begun where we start discussing matchups with the other boards that have a different opinion than us on the ratio.

Cycle 1 includes the following:

vs (We want a -1)
vs (We want a -2)
vs (They want a +1 for Dedede...surprised at this one)
vs (The words of Coney echo on...we want a +1).

More updates to come later!

 

[Bobwithlobsters]

I'm surprised that there is no push for diddy being only a -1 after all the success vs diddy players vex did at apex.

Also kinda surprised by the toon link. Aparently they have troubles with the king...

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

We DID push for Diddy being -1.

I was the only person who argued against it until recently.

We discuss these MUs in cycles so we only do 3 or 4 at one time. We'll be fighting for -1 vs Diddy at a later date.

 

[bubbaking]

I'm pretty sure the Diddys agree with it being -1 as well, though. I know P-1 does, at least.

I don't think (good) TLs actually have trouble with the King, which is weird. Last time I checked, MJG solidly beat 4GOD, but maybe something happened...

Edit: Just checked and the Diddys do agree with us, meaning we won't be discussing it, I believe, unless someone pushes for discussion anyway.

 

[allshort17]

No -1/even against ZSS or Shielda as even? Maybe in the next cycle?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

As if the ZSS's would agree to Dedede being even now.

 

[Bobwithlobsters]

Just too many changes for one cycle. We should just say mk ics and olimar are -2 everyone else there currently gets pushed to -1 and call it good. Do you think that would go over well? Hehe

 

[| Big D |]

Dabuz wants -1 for Olimar.

So far it's just us two though who are for it.

 

[bubbaking]

Noooo way.....IMO. Also, DDD:ZSS being -1 is also agreed on by both panels, so no argument there. I don't think there are going to be any discussions involving Sheilda, which I'm a little worried about because I think an additional -1 on our MU spread from that is ridiculous.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Dabuz also wants Zelda-Olimar as -3.
Hell no, it's simply Zelda's worst MU.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Dabuz wants -1 for Olimar.

So far it's just us two though who are for it.

What have you guys been smoking? Lmao

 

[Bobwithlobsters]

What are opinions on pika? I really dont know about the matchup. Its not really been played out at top level that I know of. Maybe it is a -2 but I just can't see pika as bad as olimar mk or ics.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Two words: Thunder offstage.
Pika is maybe a "light" -2, while Olimar, MetaKnight and ice Climbers are all in a whole new level.

 

[bubbaking]

What are opinions on pika? I really dont know about the matchup. Its not really been played out at top level that I know of. Maybe it is a -2 but I just can't see pika as bad as olimar mk or ics.

ESAM really is the only one that matters, and I think whenever he comes across a high-level DDD, he goes ICs instead. I could be wrong, though.....

Pika is maybe a "light" -2, while Olimar, MetaKnight and ice Climbers are all in a whole new level.

This is exactly why our current MU value system kinda blows. More values might be needed...

 

[| Big D |]

IMO Pika and Olimar aren't bad.

Got lots of exp in those MUs.

 

[Bobwithlobsters]

I can agree with pika but olimar sucks. How do you approach the olimar matchup Big D?