The Complete Mario Matchup Thread

[mars16]

Mario Beats Dk but at the same time DK beats Mario..

 

[vato_break]

Your post may be the most dumbest post i have read here on smashboards.

 

[mars16]

If Your talking about Mines I agree........

LLH

 

[SKidd]

First time I fully read one of A2Z's uber long posts :D!
A2Z (or someone else) tell me about Marth, I try to camp him but when he's forced to approach i'm always not profiting from it, he breaks through. wat do

 

[vato_break]

you camp for the sake of openings not to build damage.

 

[SKidd]

never said it was to build damage, good sir.

 

[vato_break]

your probably are not camping correctly if he is "breaking through" and you are not profiting from it.

 

[SKidd]

says the mario pr0 :L

 

[A2ZOMG]

You gotta basically bait Marth into hitting your shield (or whiffing on your F-smash leanback or something) and punish him.

 

[Douhneill]

You gotta basically bait Marth into hitting your shield (or whiffing on your F-smash leanback or something) and punish him.

quick question: is the forward movement of the Stutter-step Before, or after the actual attack (as in, can you stutter step charge F-Smash, or do you have to wait for the other guy to miss first)?

 

[HeroMystic]

The backstep is during start-up, so you can charge that part. The forward step is when you release the attack.

 

[Mariofan12]

I think Mario should have an advantage over Fox because Mario has better recovery
( I think) and Mario is WAY easier to control.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Sorry for the necro, but I really must ask...

- 52:48

WTCrap? Why 52:48 as opposed to 50:50 ro 55:45?

 

[mars16]

Because Wolfs Blaster is Annoying.

 

[M.C. Pee-Pants]

Because Wolfs Blaster is Annoying.

Well wolfs blaster is not as annyoing as falcos but the reason is that wolf pretty much outrages mario with the bair and im pretty sure wolfs close range game is better than marios correct me if im wrong

 

[Famous]

Well wolfs blaster is not as annyoing as falcos but the reason is that wolf pretty much outrages mario with the bair and im pretty sure wolfs close range game is better than marios correct me if im wrong

Wolf's close range game isn't better than ours...

 

[M.C. Pee-Pants]

Wolf's close range game isn't better than ours...

isnt his cg better than marios I cant really tell

 

[SKidd]

since when do wolf or mario have cgs

 

[Famous]

since when do wolf or mario have cgs

They both have semi-CG's on specific characters...

 

[_Kadaj_]

sigh.. neither have legitimate cg's on any characters without the use of SV's moving platform

 

[A2ZOMG]

Mario has a LEGIT CG on Fox actually.

F-throw chaingrab which can end with an inescapable reverse F-smash, but it works best if his F-throw is stale. But if you have balls and the conditions are right, you can do something like a few F-throws to get him over 20% and then finish the string with reverse Upangled F-smash for over 40 damage. Not exactly easy to pull off and there is a chance of a trip ruining the combo, but disregarding that it's completely legit.

When I play the Fox matchup usually I just try to grab him and do F-throw -> D-throw and then some U-air juggles. The F-throw at 0 makes the D-throw U-air juggles work better.

 

[SKidd]

... Wait... what?

They both have semi-CG's on specific characters...

Uh, do you mean tech chasing?

 

[Famous]

... Wait... what?

Uh, do you mean tech chasing?

no...chain grabs...

 

[M.C. Pee-Pants]

Well I atcually meant counter grab by cg

 

[SKidd]

Explain, Famous.

 

[BSP]

Vids would be nice if anyone could get them

 

[HeroMystic]

sigh.. neither have legitimate cg's on any characters without the use of SV's moving platform

This is false. Mario has chaingrabs on heavies and fast-fallers, most notably Fox. Problem is F-throw has to be very stale or the opponent has to be at 0% for it to work. Since Mario's grab range is poor, this is negligible for match-ups.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

So the blaster and bair give a slight advantage then?

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

Should we post the matchup ratios for wifi for the lulz of it?

 

[JuxtaposeX]

Sure, I'll start it off.

100:0
Mario's advantage vs ICs

 

[Famous]

Sure, I'll start it off.

100:0
Mario's advantage vs ICs

It's the truth...Dair is just too good in the MU

 

[A2ZOMG]

Mario vs Ike on wifi is 80/20 Mario.

It will look like Ike's advantage until you realize that walking and throwing fireballs renders him completely useless. Trying anything else fancy usually puts the situation in Ike's favor. So just walk away from him and throw fireballs. He doesn't have the tools to stop you from running away from him, and it isn't hard to condition him to be punished by other moves when you shut down most of his options with grounded fireballs.

As evidence, not a single Ike beat me on the previous AiB ladder.

 

[UberMario]

Yeah, I've noticed Ike is REALLY bad on wifi, especially in the hands of an inexperienced player, I once 3-stocked an Ike n00b with 9 moves: BThrow, Cape, Ledge Grab x3 lol

But seriously, I've noticed it's MUCH easier to overwhelm them online than offline.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Ike is actually really good on wifi. Until you projectile camp him, and then he immediately becomes useless.

But if you don't have a projectile, he's STUPIDLY hard to deal with since his F-air is basically the best wifi poke in the game.

 

[Inferno3044]

Wifi doesn't matter for **** when it comes to MUs. You can't do some basic things on wifi like powershielding.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

Basic Brawl match up filled with n00bz on Wifi
100:0
Ike's advantage vs anyone that isn't Ike.

 

[SKidd]

MK on Wifi


discuss.

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

Omai.. o_o

 

[JuxtaposeX]

Pick snake, hold grenade in hand and watch them nado into it. Up-tilt at 80%. Lawl.

 

[Jimmyfosho]

lol sooo how outdated are these MUs ratios