The Counter Game III: READ THE RULES BEFORE POSTING. Join the fun!

[Sir Bedevere]

Timid

252 SAtk

~Zen Headbutt
~Wood Hammer

lol

HP Fire 2HKOs and he outspeeds.

Counter Fail.

 

[Riddle]

Counter fail because it isn't Exeggutor U-turn is banned.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

I THOUGHT i WAS SAFE FROM YOU, 50222222222222222

EDIT VVV: Lol, I was about to say.

 

[Riddle]

My counter just completely fails. The other Exeggutor is the current counter

 

[kirbyraeg]

U-turn is a valid move, you just stay in and use it. There is no legitimate reason for U-turn to be banned either way, as it is just a 70 bp physical bug-type move when there's just one pokemon out. If it's banned that rule should be changed because there's no real reason for an attack move to be banned.

Looking at that banned move list a few of those other things don't particularly make sense as for being banned. Why not allow Pursuit? It would be a 40 bp move anyway because there is no switching involved, but it's a valid move nonetheless. Why not allow Foresight and Miracle Eye? It's a legitimate tool for a fighting/psychic type to hit switching counters.

 

[Metal~Mario]

502's again?

this annoys me.

 

[Wave⁂]

Don't question it, kirbyraeg.

But since WouW is gone... I guess changes wouldn't be a bad thing. IF IF IF we are to change anything, I want Choice items back, but with more stringent rules.

 

[Metal~Mario]

^You sure WouW is gone?

Who would control the thread?

I'd like to, if that's cool.

Concerning Choice Items, what did you have in mind?

 

[Riddle]

Ninja-d by Metal~Mario. You can do it mang.

 

[Metal~Mario]

Ninja-d by Metal~Mario. You can do it mang.

Would it be better to start a new thread or ask Firus to transfer powers to me?

EDIT: Sent him a PM. We'll see what happens.

May the game continue.

 

[Riddle]

Cool, now youre the op thanks to me firus

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Adopt the point system by Platypus into the OP. Not for serious but just to be there.

 

[Wave⁂]

NFE + 5 This ends poorly

Why is that, exactly?

 

[Platypus]

Ninetales...Wailord was meant to counter Spiritomb. Those other counters didn't fail; they were clearly not meant to counter Ninetales. You get +5 for Wailord because I failed to declare a target.
+5 for the NU will cause people to use suicidally specialized NUs to net bonus points, breaking the game.
Now, against Sunny Day Exeggutor:
Golduck w/Focus Sash
Rash/Cloud Nine
240 Atk./ 70 Sp. Atk./ 200 Speed
+ Signal Beam
+ Calm Mind
+ Hydro Pump
+ Cross Chop
You stall out; I crash.
SCORE!
OU, BL+1 UU+2 NU+3 Counter Fail+5 Tier below defender+1 (NU, UU, BL, OU)
jigglyppuff8 - 4
kirbyraeg - 14
Melfice z - 23
Metal~Mario - 22 +5!
mood4food77 - 4
Moozle - 6
Pink Reaper - 0
Platypus - 19
Riddle - 15
RuNNing Riot - 5
Sir Bedevere - 5
Terywj - 17 +5! +5!!
The Real Gamer - 4
The Wrath of Koarin - 2
UltiMario - 13
Wave+ - 7

 

[Terywj [태리]]

So what rules are we exactly rennovating?

 

[kirbyraeg]

Re-evaluate the banned move list. Pretty much everything else makes sense.

 

[Platypus]

I dunno. I'm okay with re-introducing the OU and BL.

Against Golduck:

Poliwrath w/Salac Berry
Adamant/Water Absorb
240 Atk./ 200 Def./ 70 Speed
+ Substitute
+ Focus Punch
+ Payback
+ Endeavor
I'm not including this in the score, but feel free to counter it.

 

[Melfice z]

Ive gotta back up Kirbyraeg on his ideas for change... the moves dont need to be necessarily banned but theres no real use for pursuit outside of trapping! And what ideas do you have for choice items Tery?

Tangrowth@leftovers
modest/clorophyll
252 Def/ 128HP/128spd
-knock off
-sunny day
-synthesis
-solar beam

 

[kirbyraeg]

Tangrowth @ Lum Berry
252 SpAtk/252 Spe/4 HP
Modest / Chlorophyll

Sunny Day
HP Fire
Solarbeam
Focus Blast

 

[Melfice z]

C-c ditto breaker!

dusklops@leftovers
252HP/252SpDef
modest/pressure
-calm mind
-shadow ball
-pain split
-ice beam

 

[Platypus]

Guess I should have run more Speed. Against Dusclops:
Bibarel w/Leftovers
Brave/Unaware
30 HP/ 240 Atk./ 240 Sp. Def.
+ Curse
+ Double-edge
+ Pluck
+ Aqua Tail
It might have been a good idea to run Calm Dusclops and put the EVs in Special Attack...

SCORE!
OU, BL+1 UU+2 NU+3 Counter Fail+5 Tier below defender+1 (NU, UU, BL, OU)
jigglyppuff8 - 4
kirbyraeg - 16
Melfice z - 26
Metal~Mario - 27
mood4food77 - 4
Moozle - 6
Pink Reaper - 0
Platypus - 24
Riddle - 15
RuNNing Riot - 5
Sir Bedevere - 5
Terywj - 27
The Real Gamer - 4
The Wrath of Koarin - 2
UltiMario - 13
Wave+ - 7

 

[Metal~Mario]

I did some thinking about U-turn last night.

And I'll keep it banned, because if you use U-turn, then you leave the fight, meaning you can't beat your opponent without leaving battle, unless you use it as the kill move or we assume you have no remaining pokes, which is impossible, given we are countering and therefore switching out to someone else.

My theory on U-turn. If you can give a better argument for including it, I'll listen. I could also allow it only as a killing move or just negate its secondary effect.

Pursuit doesn't really matter, since it's so weak, anyway.

I'll look into everything else on the rules. If any of you have any changes you want to make to the rules, either list them here or PM me.

Platy, can you PM me your score system? No matter how many times you post it here, it still confuses me.

I'll list a counter to Bibarel in a moment.

 

[Wave⁂]

U-Turn should only be allowed if it finishes off the opponent.
Pursuit should not be allowed to be used the first turn by the counterer.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

U-Turn should only be allowed if it finishes off the opponent.
Pursuit should not be allowed to be used the first turn by the counterer.

Those rules are mediocre alternatives, at best. Keep them banned.

 

[Metal~Mario]

Countering Bibarel:

Weezing@Lefties
Bold/Levitate
252HP/238Def/20Speed

WoW
Pain Split
Thunder
Sludge Bomb

 

[Melfice z]

Camerupt@lum berry
solid rock/bold
252HP/128spDef/128spAtk
-fire blast
-earth power
-amnesia
-rest

 

[UltiMario]

Moltres@Leftovers
Modest/Pressure
252HP/252SpA/4Spe
HP Water
Air Slash
Fire Blast
Toxic

HP Water = Lololololo

 

[Metal~Mario]

Relicanth@Lefties
Careful/Rock Head
252At/252SpDef/4Def

Head Smash
EQ
Aqua Tail
Double-Edge

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Change rule 1 so that it identifies the background scoring of the game.

 

[Metal~Mario]

^K.

I was going to, but Platy's system confuses me more than Spinda.

/shamelesspokepun

 

[Terywj [태리]]

^K.

I was going to, but Platy's system confuses me more than Spinda.

/shamelesspokepun

It's not that hard to understand.

You get points depending on the tier of the Pokemon you are using to counter.
+1 for OU / BL
+2 for UU
+3 for NU

If someone following you fails to post a viable counter you get +5.

If you're using a Pokemon from the same tier as the Pokemon you are countering, you don't get any bonus points. However, if you use a Pokemon one tier lower than the Pokemon you're countering you get +1.
BL Pokemon countering OU: +1
UU Pokemon countering BL: +1
NU Pokemon countering UU: +1
UU Pokemon countering OU: +2
NU Pokemon countering BL: +2
NU Pokemon countering OU: +3
(BL counts as a separate tier for this extra scoring case)

That's really about it. Therefore the maximum amount of points on a single counter is a +11 if you use a NU Pokemon to successfully counter an OU and have the following counter fail.

 

[Riddle]

Well if you have 37 people in a row fail to counter you you could get 191 points. Just sayin

 

[Metal~Mario]

Huh.

Well, I've got the feeling Platy miscalculated my score somewhere. That's why I was confused.

Sure. I'll put it into the OP now.

I'll keep scores as current as humanly possible.

What do you think about U-turn/Pursuit/Choice Items?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Platypus updates the scores whenever he counters.

But I can help with that too if the need arises.

 

[Metal~Mario]

Platypus updates the scores whenever he counters.

But I can help with that too if the need arises.

Naw, I can do it.

In fact I just did: I'm winning!

 

[Riddle]

U-turn/Pursuit/Choice Items should be allowed

 

[Metal~Mario]

Okay.

I'll continue to let people weigh in on this until tommorrow.

But remember to counter!

 

[Terywj [태리]]

U-turn/Pursuit/Choice Items should be allowed

We just discussed the problems with this a page or two ago. Choice items would be too ridiculous. If we allowed them, we have to change other rules regarding "everything goes best for Pokemon being countered, and vice versa" because if the Pokemon in line to counter was say immune to that then we'd have to assume another move to be in use, which you cannot do with Choice items.

That's my take on it.

 

[kirbyraeg]

I did some thinking about U-turn last night.

And I'll keep it banned, because if you use U-turn, then you leave the fight, meaning you can't beat your opponent without leaving battle, unless you use it as the kill move or we assume you have no remaining pokes, which is impossible, given we are countering and therefore switching out to someone else.

My theory on U-turn. If you can give a better argument for including it, I'll listen. I could also allow it only as a killing move or just negate its secondary effect.

The reason to include U-turn is since this counter game is just treating the battle as a 1v1 situation, its secondary effect wouldn't come into play. When you have only one pokemon left, U-turn works as a normal attack would and there is no secondary switching effect.

P.S.

Quagsire @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 Def/4 Spe
Impish / Water Absorb

Earthquake
Toxic
Recover
Encore

 

[Riddle]

We just discussed the problems with this a page or two ago. Choice items would be too ridiculous. If we allowed them, we have to change other rules regarding "everything goes best for Pokemon being countered, and vice versa" because if the Pokemon in line to counter was say immune to that then we'd have to assume another move to be in use, which you cannot do with Choice items.

That's my take on it.

I don't see why choice items change this. Just use the right move. The rules don't affect move-choice and each counter battle is taken anew so what you used against the previous pokemon is also irrelevant.