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[SpiredMoth]

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I love how you quoted the entire message when the only important detail that you talked about was talking about the ability (and I really hoped you were sarcastic when you said this, considering I was fake-trolling [Evident by the purposful shifting of the vowels in "Ability" the second time I said it] about the Regis).
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I like how it took you 2 days to notice what I said even though you posted a new counter about 2 hours later. I was joking since most people (especially those who take part in this game) know all about the legendaries, even if they only manage to memorize their tier and ability. As to why I quoted the entire thing, it is because i use the internet on my wii (my computer is too old and out of date) and due to the fact that it takes forever to delete unwanted parts without the ability to highlight in the virtual keyboard.

 

[ungulateman]

Milotic @ Leftovers
Calm / Marvel Scale
252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Hidden Power [Electric]
-Recover

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Adamant / Snow Warning
252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
~ Ice Shard
~ Seed Bomb
~ Earthquake
~ Leech Seed

-Terywj

 

[peregrine monkey]

Moltres@Leftovers
Bold
Pressure
248 Hp/148 Def/112 Spd
-Flamethrower
-Substitute
-Roost
-Toxic

Switch in on anything and take less than 30%, flamethrower for the OHKO.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Leadgross:

Metagross @ Occa Berry
Adamant/Jolly / Clear Body
252Atk/252Spe/4HP
Meteor Mash
Bullet Punch
Earthquake
Explosion

If it's a suicide lead (Azelf, Aero) use BP to 2HKO. If it's weak to ground, use Earthquake. If it's bulky (Swampert, Hippo) explode on it.

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Would I play this Metagross as a suicide lead himself? Just keep him in until he's ready to explode, and see how many pokemon he breaks in the process? Otherwise, coolio.
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I recommend be-Sash'd IcSp Cloyster, though Sandstorm can thwart it.
I went the whole hog here.

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..... Wha? .... And again, Wha?
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Bullet Punch barely misses the 2HKO, so it's a 3HKO instead. (Note: NOT A COUNTER) Just making a correction.

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Any other Pokemon that I should be aware of? Anyone else Metagross beats or doesn't beat or should avoid or anything like that?
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I like how it took you 2 days to notice what I said even though you posted a new counter about 2 hours later. I was joking since most people (especially those who take part in this game) know all about the legendaries, even if they only manage to memorize their tier and ability. As to why I quoted the entire thing, it is because i use the internet on my wii (my computer is too old and out of date) and due to the fact that it takes forever to delete unwanted parts without the ability to highlight in the virtual keyboard.

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I like how now I'm a Blind Old Man who can't see things right under his nose. I also like how I called you out on a sarcastic post dirrected at my own sarcastic post about something so insignificant it shouldn't even warret any further discussion. I love how badly sarcasm fails over the internet, and how ironic it is that I expect people to understand sacrasm when I do it, but fail to understand others. I just don't want people forgetting about abilities over time, so random people can come in with Sandstreem Regirock and Snow Warning Articuno, and because we never inforced abilities, we don't know anymore... OUR OWN IGNORANCE IS LEADING TO OUR DOWNFALL! And you seriously use the Wii's Internet? .... **** ..... I dunno what to say, man. That sucks....
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Moltres@Leftovers
Bold
Pressure
248 Hp/148 Def/112 Spd
-Flamethrower
-Substitute
-Roost
-Toxic

Switch in on anything and take less than 30%, flamethrower for the OHKO.

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RHYPERIOR

Spoiler

Or Rhydon

@ Lum Berry
Adamant / SOLID ROCK

Spoiler

Or Rock Head

6 Hp / 252 Attack / 252 Speed
Rock Polish
Earth Quake
Mega Horn
Rock Blast

Spoiler

If I can use Rhyperior (since he's so about to drop from Usage; Roserade's so about to be an OU now, too... just saying), then freaking awesome. If not, Rhydon does the job too.

Rock Blast allows me to shatter your substitutes, doing no less than 40% to you dirrectly, which means at worse, I'll have to get a 2 Turn KO. on you. If I can hit 3 times, that's a guaranteed 1 Turn KO. Lum Berry destroys your attempt to Toxic and Stall me with Roost (who do you think you are, Blissey?), and Flame Thrower gets a 3 hit kill at best, but you'll be dead by then.

Hey Wouw, would future counters have to account for all 5 hits of a multi-hit move? Since they have to be ready to take any and all damage under any circumstance and still counter... 125 Base Power Rock Attack for the win! It even beats Stone Edge.
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[WouW]

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Hey Wouw, would future counters have to account for all 5 hits of a multi-hit move? Since they have to be ready to take any and all damage under any circumstance and still counter... 125 Base Power Rock Attack for the win! It even beats Stone Edge.
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I'd say 'original pokemon gets max, counter gets min'. Added.

Also, technically, Rhyperior is still OU and should therefore be accounted as such.

So I'll counter Rhydon (zOmG!! T3h Rid00n DuZnt H4V3 S0L1D R0XX0rZ: Ur Ab1l3t3 iZ 1nVal1DDDDDDDDdd!!1 U suxx0r!!!11)

Hitmontop @ Life Orb
Adamant/Intimidate
252Atk/252Spe/4HP
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Sucker Punch
Mach Punch

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Would I play this Metagross as a suicide lead himself? Just keep him in until he's ready to explode, and see how many pokemon he breaks in the process? Otherwise, coolio.
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If you need explosion to beat the lead, Meta's dead anyway, and otherwise, switch out and later explode or revenge kill with Bullet Punch or something.

 

[supermarth64]

Hitmontop @ Life Orb
Adamant/Intimidate
252Atk/252Spe/4HP
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Sucker Punch
Mach Punch

Mespirit @ Leftovers
Timid / Levitate
252 HP / 24 Def / 32 SAtk / 200 Spe
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt

32 SAtk to OHKO Hitmontop (min damage) with Psychic after 2 LO recoils.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Regice @ Leftovers
Modest / Clear Body
252 HP / 252 Sp Atk / 6 Sp Def
~ Ice Beam
~ Thunderbolt
~ Psych Up
~ Thunder Wave

-Terywj

 

[ungulateman]

Blaziken @ Muscle Band
Adamant / Blaze
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
-Fire Punch
-Brick Break
-Swords Dance
-Thunderpunch

 

[Wave⁂]

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Relaxed / Water Absorb
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpAtk
Ice Beam
Earthquake
Surf
Yawn

Can we start using the new HGSS moves?

 

[WouW]

Ye s.

 

[Neo Exdeath]

Vileplume@Heat Rock
Modest/Chlorophyll
252 Special Attack/252 Special Defense/4 Defense
Solar Beam
HP Ground
Sleep Powder
Sunny Day

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Moltres @ Chesto Berry
Modest / Pressure
252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
~ Flamethrower
~ Roost
~ Air Slash
~ Hidden Power Grass

-Terywj

 

[Platypus]

Against Moltres:

Grumpig w/Custap Berry
Calm/Flash Fire
110 Def./ 200 Sp. Atk./ 200 Sp. Def.
+ Power Gem
+ Calm Mind
+ Focus Blast
+ Signal Beam

 

[WouW]

Grumpig with Flash Fire?

 

[SpiredMoth]

How does Grumpig get Flash Fire? Don't you mean Thick Fat?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Grumpig doesn't have Flash Fire, so I assume he had Thick Fat. Anyways.

Skuntank @ Leftovers
Adamant / Aftermath
252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Sp Def
~ Screech
~ Crunch
~ Poison Jab
~ Sucker Punch

I tossed in Screech to make Skutank's amazing physical movepool even more limited. Of course that kinda means your piggy is screwed.

-Terywj

 

[Platypus]

Oh, no. I was planning on using Ninetales.

Also, did an Overused monster "ninja" my Gallade counter?

Aggron w/Focus Sash
Adamant/Rock Head
110 HP/ 200 Atk./ 200 Speed
+ Head Smash
+ Metal Burst
+ Aqua Tail
+ Swords Dance
Beware the face!

 

[Circa]

Tangrowth@Leftovers
Bold/Chlorophyll
200 HP/104 DEF/204 SPE
-Sleep Powder
-Focus Blast
-Leaf Storm
-Ancientpower

I didn't exactly know if the sleep effect meant you slept for two full turns or if you woke up on the second turn you're asleep (meaning only one true turn of sleep effect), so the EVs are set to outspeed and also survive an SD'd Head Smash just in case the latter is true.

 

[Platypus]

Against Tangrimace:

Noctowl w/Flame Orb
Modest/Insomnia
200 Sp. Atk./ 200 Sp. Def./ 110 Speed
+ Psycho Shift
+ Air Slash
+ Heat Wave
+ HP Ground

...Wait, Metagross?

 

[Wave⁂]

Against Tangrimace:

Noctowl w/Flame Orb
Modest/Insomnia
200 Sp. Atk./ 200 Sp. Def./ 110 Speed
+ Psycho Shift
+ Air Slash
+ Heat Wave
+ HP Ground

...Wait, Metagross?

Moltres @ Leftovers
Modest
252 HP / 252 SpAtk / 4 Spe
SolarBeam
Fire Blast
HP Rock
Sunny Day

 

[Mewter]

Magcargo@leftovers
Modest
252 SpeDef / 252 SpAtk / 4 HP
Stockpile
Ancientpower
Earthpower
HP Water

There's like, no way this will lose.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Houndoom @ Expert Belt
Modest / Flash Fire
252 Sp Atk / 252 Sp Def / 6 Spd
~ Hidden Power Rock
~ Fire Blast
~ Dark Pulse
~ Solarbeam

Woot for really random attack moves. Beaten to the punch.

Feraligats @ Leftovers
Adamant / Torrent
252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 Sp Def
~ Swords Dance
~ Aqua Jet
~ Ice Fang
~ Earthquake

-Terywj

 

[xLeafybug =D]

whoops, my post was late, went afk.,

 

[Platypus]

Gaah! Why didn't I use HP Rock? Oh, wait, I forgot about Volcamel. Curse it.

Bibarel w/Liechi Berry
Brave/Unaware
200 Atk./ 200 Def./ 110 Sp. Atk.
+ Thunder Wave
+ Aqua Tail
+ Thunder
+ Natural Gift
I induce fear. Experience it.
Also, once again, Metagross?

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Im going to take a Third crack at this.
I'm pretty new to this.

Pikachu @ Light Ball
252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Thunderbolt
Grass Knot
Surf
Substitute

EDIT: It seems that my first one doesn't work according to WouW, so I need to try again.
Would this work?

Cacturne @ Life Orb
Modest / Sand Veil
252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spd / 4 Def
Energy Ball
Dark Pulse
Substitute
GrassWhistle

If I did this wrong...Again, please tell me.

 

[WouW]

Nice try but that doesn't work because Aqua Tail OHKOs you on the switch. (Also, you have a wrong nature).

 

[SpiredMoth]

I've been wondering: what is the damage formula? I think i've seen a couple different ones and i'd like to be able to do calcs to check if my potential counters could work.

 

[Neo Exdeath]

^You could always use Metalkid's damage calculator for things like that.

http://www.metalkid.info/pokemon/OnlineProgram/Calculators/DamageDP.aspx

 

[Likeness101]

Nevermind didn't realize it was UU and NU only

 

[Wave⁂]

Metalkid's isn't accurate. Libelldra is much more reliable.

Cacturne @ Life Orb
Modest / Sand Veil
252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spd / 4 Def
Energy Ball
Dark Pulse
Substitute
GrassWhistle

If I did this wrong...Again, please tell me.

Houndoom @ Life Orb
Modest / Flash Fire
252 SpAtk / 252 HP / 4 Spe
Nasty Plot
Fire Blast
Dark Pulse
HP Grass

 

[Neo Exdeath]

Hitmonlee@Life Orb
Adamant/Limber
252 Atk/252 Speed/4 SpDef
Close Combat
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Sucker Punch

 

[Wave⁂]

Claydol @ Life Orb
Adamant / Levitate
252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Earthquake
Zen Headbutt
Stone Edge
Frustration

 

[WouW]

Shiftry @ Life Orb
Modest/Chlorophyll
252SpA/252Spe/4SpD
Leaf Storm
Hidden Power Fire
Dark Pulse
Extrasensory

 

[Wave⁂]

Entei @ Leftovers
Modest
252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Fire Fang
Stone Edge
Return
Iron Tail

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Hariyama @ Leftovers
Impish / Thick Fat
252 Def / 172 Atk / 80 HP / 4 Spd
~ Cross Chop
~ Ice Punch
~ Stone Edge
~ Payback

-Terywj

 

[ungulateman]

Muk @ Black Sludge
Bold / Sticky Hold
252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Speeeeeeeeeed
-Hidden Power [Flying]
-Toxic
-Protect
-Sludge Bomb

 

[Wave⁂]

Magneton @ Leftovers
Modest
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Thunder
Flash Cannon
Tri Attack
HP Ground

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Claydol @ Leftovers
Calm / Levitate
252 HP / 144 Sp Def / 114 Sp Atk
~ Earth Power
~ Shadow Ball
~ Ice Beam
~ Grass Knot

-Terywj

 

[Platypus]

Claydol: Has good Attack, Defense, Special Attack, and Special Defense, and a good ability- but is incapable of fulfilling any niche.

I use the even less creative

Ludicolo w/Focus Sash
Modest/Swift Swim
200 Atk./ 200 Sp. Atk./ 110 Sp. Def.
+ Sunny Day
+ Solarbeam
+ HP Electric
+ Focus Blast;
also, meh.