would be pretty funny if the horrible visual style shown yesterday was false and somewhere down the line they go "j/k this is what it REALLY looks like"
but obviously that won't happen ._.
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Legend of Zelda The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - NO SPOILERS, USE THE SPOILER THREAD PLEASE
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but obviously that won't happen ._.
MidnightAsaph
Smash Lord
Because I think they know what Zelda is more than the creators do. The creators are just making games for money. Not that they don't love their creations, but they make their creations for us to love, not them.
This isn't to say that what we say must happen, but we do know the game's strengths and weaknesses very well.
Honestly, I'm more psyched for this game. But not much. Which I think is good. I can go into this game not knowing a lot, and not expecting too much.
I'm going into radio silence with this new game!In other news!!! Metroid Other M Looks AMAZING. Donkey Kong Country! It's all so beautiful!
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Bull ****. Zelda fans don't know it more than Miyamoto. His relationship with Nintendo has always been this: Itawa makes the money, he makes the games, the two are separate. Honestly, do you realize how arrogant this sounds? I thought only fighting game fans thought this way, at the very least, they are the only ones who DESERVE to feel this way as they truly know the games more than the developers. Fans have complained about every game SINCE Majora's Mask, and in later years people generally refer to the game as genius, as seen with Wind Waker and Majora's Mask, and to a lesser extent Twlight Princess. The Hard Core fans complain because Zelda has and will always be a series that is constantly changing its style and approach, and these fans wish they had it like FPS fans where the game remained exactly the same.
Fatmanonice
Banned via Warnings
While it changes its style and approach, that's basically all that changes. Since ALTTP, the gameplay really hasn't changed. Go through dungeons, solve puzzles, use new items to solve said puzzles, repeat until you beat the final boss. Mario, Pokemon, Kirby, DK, Wario, and even Star Fox have tried different styles of gameplay but Zelda has largely stayed the same over the years. It's both a good and bad thing because, you know what they say, famililarity breeds contempt. I still love the Zelda series but when I see fans raging about Spirit Tracks, Phantom Hourglass, and Twilight Princess for the reason I just described then maybe it is time for them to try to take a step in a new direction.
MidnightAsaph
Smash Lord
I wasn't talking about aesthetics. If someone's gonna complain about cellshading or something of that nature, they're a *****. I'm talking about other things, such as why there isn't a difficulty setting yet. You realize how many more people would be happy if the game had a setting for the people that are, you know, a lot better at Zelda?
You know that saying, "You are your worst critic"? I rest my case.
Making something is a lot different from playing it.
I wouldn't mind having different difficulty settings.
With this "jumping from cloud city to overworld" thing, I wouldn't be surprised if we have a lot of mini dungeons.
With this "jumping from cloud city to overworld" thing, I wouldn't be surprised if we have a lot of mini dungeons.
Fatmanonice
Banned via Warnings
Well, the people who have actually played the game have said nothing but good things so far. One of the things that I keep hearing is that the AI for the enemies is consideribly better and that you can't kill even minor enemies anymore just by swinging your sword around wildly. The fact that you actually have to think while fighting and outmaneveur and outsmart your opponent in this game is very refreshing to hear.
Kingdom Come
Smash Lord
Now I get the whole pants thing.
It's colder in higher altitudes. So, because he lives in the sky he has to wear pants to stay warm. God I am a genius. Only thing I really don't like about the pants is it makes him look go DBGT Goku.
It's colder in higher altitudes. So, because he lives in the sky he has to wear pants to stay warm. God I am a genius. Only thing I really don't like about the pants is it makes him look go DBGT Goku.
finalark
SNORLAX
MidnightAsaph
Smash Lord
If you're responding to me, I'm not making a claim about this Zelda. I would, however, like to add that the game is not completely done, and that things will change. We'll have to see.
And that is very refreshing to hear. I just hope the bosses follow suit. I'm tired of not being nervous. I want to LOSE against bosses again, not beat them first go.
Fatmanonice
Banned via Warnings
It wasn't directed at you but I think me and you have some of the same concerns about the future of the Zelda franchise.
Regarding the bosses, yes, yes, and yes. I haven't felt like I could legitimately lose a boss fight since Majora's Mask. That game did an amazing job with atmosphere. The bosses were creepy and by the time you got to the boss you'd usually be close to the end of the third day anyways so there was that tension too. I liked Spirit Track's bosses because they seemed harder than they've been in awhile especially when you compare them to the Wind Waker (pretty easy) and Twilight Princess (virtually impossible to die fighting against).
Spirit Tracks has very different gameplay than most Zeldas, and it's the worst Zelda game, outside of the CD-I games.
I really hope that the bosses are tough too.
I bet that the main villain will be the original Ganon, and all other Ganons down the line are evil due to residual effects from how evil the original was.
Ganon (more likely a more evil being) wearing Majora's Mask would be cool too. He could be so powerful that his power, after being defeated, has to be split in half and sent to two different worlds. Ganon could be the Hyrule manifestation, and Majora could be the Termina half.
I bet that the main villain will be the original Ganon, and all other Ganons down the line are evil due to residual effects from how evil the original was.
Ganon (more likely a more evil being) wearing Majora's Mask would be cool too. He could be so powerful that his power, after being defeated, has to be split in half and sent to two different worlds. Ganon could be the Hyrule manifestation, and Majora could be the Termina half.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
Am i the only one pissed at how bad the art style is for the new zelda? Cell shade sucks major ****
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
No, you're not the only one, but you're (hopefully) part of a minority.
God I love the fantasy style so much <3
God I love the fantasy style so much <3
Eh? I personally think that it looks good.
It even has more than 3 shades of brown!
MidnightAsaph
Smash Lord
Honestly, style's not an issue. It's the difficulty. I'll never stop saying it. I hope this game is also epic too, grand scale. Meaning, a long, difficult and expansive game with just the right amount of sidequests.
I think this game needs a mode or activity in it that gives the game a lot of replay value. Anyone agree? Like the fishing in Twilight Princess, but far more fun and depthful.
I think this game needs a mode or activity in it that gives the game a lot of replay value. Anyone agree? Like the fishing in Twilight Princess, but far more fun and depthful.
You're insane. Cell-shading is the best thing to happen to videogames ever.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
If its hard to look at or is flat out ugly as crap(WW or this new game) then i dont care how hard it is cause i probably wont even finish playing it. cause its so gross to look at.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Making it long AND hard is something not easily achievable, as it's hard to keep a game's difficulty progressing while not making it impossible or at least very frustrating.
lrn2viagra
How was WW gross to look at? I smell a troll.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Rofl I'm so wrong.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
im a troll because i dont like the kiddy-est zelda made? Im a troll if i buy a zelda game and it ends up looking like a comic book?
Im not askin for ps3 graphic type zelda or a super serious blood gore zelda.....i just want a decent looking/ decent feeling zelda like lttp.
WW wasn't gross to look at, just very uninspired and boring. this game seems to be slightly better than that artistically, but still not very interesting.
also okami best game ever visually, cel-shading CAN be very good, nintendo just sucks at it and should stop trying.
also okami best game ever visually, cel-shading CAN be very good, nintendo just sucks at it and should stop trying.
So you want a "game" to look exactly like real life all the time without any creative freedom offered to the game makers? Cool. While you're playing in a puddle of mud, I'm going to go mess around with that rainbow over there. See ya later.
You've been dissatisfied with Zelda since 1992?
My fanboy may be showing, but it's literally unfathomable to me that anyone can think this about Wind Waker.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
You didnt read my post right. try again.
Have i been dissatisfied with zelda since 1992? Yes and No. I guess this should be answered in the General discussion, right?
As for not liking wind waker art style. It reminded me of pure kidd-ness. Like some child took some markers and colored in a coloring book. If it was just the explosions on the bombs or somthing that looked liek that, then thats cool with me but it wasnt. The WHOLE game had that style and NO boss looked or felt serious do to how colorful and gross they looked.
This new zelda does NOT look(art style wise) as bad as WW but its close. I will still play it but i dont think i can dish out 49.99$ for a comic book game.
Fatmanonice
Banned via Warnings
Aside from the train which played exactly the same as the boats in the Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass, the gameplay formula was exactly the same as it has been since A Link to the Past: go to dungeons, solve puzzles, get new item to help solve puzzles, beat dungeon boss, repeat until you beat the game.
that'd be your fanboy, disagreeing and liking it is one thing, but it's certainly fathomable. there's tons of people that don't like WW's visuals, it's not like I'm saying anything unusual about it.
I don't see how this is aesthetically pleasing, tagging what xyro said, this really DOES look like a childs drawing, the water and sky are solidly ONE COLOR with no shading. I can appreciate something that looks like a drawing or painting that is professionally done, but not this
edit: phantom hourglass is the worst game in the canonical series by a mile IMO, spirit tracks is a massive massive improvement over it.
I don't see how this is aesthetically pleasing, tagging what xyro said, this really DOES look like a childs drawing, the water and sky are solidly ONE COLOR with no shading. I can appreciate something that looks like a drawing or painting that is professionally done, but not this
edit: phantom hourglass is the worst game in the canonical series by a mile IMO, spirit tracks is a massive massive improvement over it.
I honestly thought that was the point of the style.
MidnightAsaph
Smash Lord
@Xyro
Sorry you're not a fan of the impressionist look the game has going. I don't particularly care what it looks like, but I can understand why. Hopefully you get what you're looking for in the years to come.
@Xonar
I disagree. I mean, just make a bunch of dungeons, make the computer AI intelligent and powerful, and then make strategies (how to beat bosses) less cookie-cutter obvious and harder to pull off. I really doubt the difficulty of doing this.
Listen, send me into Nintendo. I doesn't afraid of any task.
Sorry you're not a fan of the impressionist look the game has going. I don't particularly care what it looks like, but I can understand why. Hopefully you get what you're looking for in the years to come.
@Xonar
I disagree. I mean, just make a bunch of dungeons, make the computer AI intelligent and powerful, and then make strategies (how to beat bosses) less cookie-cutter obvious and harder to pull off. I really doubt the difficulty of doing this.
Listen, send me into Nintendo. I doesn't afraid of any task.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
...................double post. sorry
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
Im not saying cell shade sucks(its worked for SEVERAL games) im just saying it makes a semi serious series(zelda) look like a childs coloring book and imo that degrades a large part of what zelda is.
I guess ive always thought that the pokemons and the Donkey Kongs were the kiddy type games while the zeldas and Metroids were the more serious type games.
If thats the point of the style then i fear for this new zelda.
okami did a good job with cel-shading and being semi-serious, it's not the cel-shading it's the art direction. cel-shading isn't all bad but for whatever reason nintendo does worse using this style, they need to just let it go
MidnightAsaph
Smash Lord
Serious?
Hm...
It's difficult to find the right words, but there was something very stylish about Wind Waker that I really liked. The final battle with Ganondorf, I might add, felt very mature. Mature? Not blood, drugs and sex mature, but...it felt really serious. Maybe you might argue that it would have been even more dramatic if it were more realistic. I think so too.
But for me, visuals don't define the gravity of the situation. The situation does. In other words, I think you have to look beyond the visuals. But maybe you'd rather not.
I to would love to see what the final battle on that tower would have been like with the OoT style (I thought TP style was weird), but I can still appreciate what WW brought.
Jonas
Smash Champion
TWW's graphic style was beautiful in its simplicity. I don't think it made the game less mature or less serious, but it did give the game a more light-hearted and up-beat feel to it. It inspired in me a sense of what I think the Zelda series is all about: Adventure and exploration.
Honestly I'd hate for the Zelda series to go all dark and overly mature. It's really a fairy-tale game, and it doesn't need to look realistic.
Honestly I'd hate for the Zelda series to go all dark and overly mature. It's really a fairy-tale game, and it doesn't need to look realistic.
Beware the Jabberwocky
Smash Apprentice
Wow, caps lock. I feel the heat now. Sorry, but I'm not going to get over it. Zelda is dead. We dont need another Cel-shaded artistic game, we needed a real game to show up, and apparently it isnt. The entire game looks like nothing more than Wind Waker again, except with crappier graphics. Being a prick wont help you feel better about the game, and it will only further my idea that this game is going to suck like the last four Zelda games.
RIP, Zelda. You will be missed.
Epic. I just...
Epic. Yeah this would be the best climax to a Zelda game ever. They could end the franchise on that note.
the flooding rooftop was great even from a visual perspective, it was an exception though, if you contrast that with what you're looking at for 90% of the game, it's darker and has much more going on than what you're normally seeing. though some of that goes back to so much of the game being sailing through a desolate ocean, the islands often shared the overly simple design too, as you'd frequently see the ground composed of like...3 colors, a single color representing something like grass or a path, and not much of anything to interrupt these large blocks of solid unshaded color.
Jonas
Smash Champion
Jabberwocky,
You're acting like they ruined it for everyone.
You're acting like they ruined it for everyone.