asianaussie
Smash Hero
Jiggs can approach with N-Air. Most other approaches are way too easy to knock away. Rest combos are good, but everyone above her generally has kill methods that are either on the same level, better or more reliable.
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The New Tier List
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i'd personally switch dk and jiggly
even if dk beats jiggly all jiggly needs is a grab and jiggly played really good will never not get a kill from a grab (against most characters)
even if dk beats jiggly all jiggly needs is a grab and jiggly played really good will never not get a kill from a grab (against most characters)
I think Jiggly rest combos = Yawn.
ballin4life
Smash Hero
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theres a lot of ways
weak aerial that you can tap them with into a rest
reverse pound
weak aerial that you can tap them with into a rest
reverse pound
$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$
Smash Lord
Ness got gayed on SSB.. lol wow.
Superstar
Smash Champion
Recovery isn't really a main issue, though it really doesn't help him at all.
DSmash is useful...as an edgeguard only. If you throw that out of nowhere, well, lol.
DSmash is useful...as an edgeguard only. If you throw that out of nowhere, well, lol.
SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
recovery is his biggest issue. Say you get thrown off as ness, they just ftilt your 2nd jump or something lol then your stock is basically gone after many bairs or something
DMoogle
A$
This.
Link would probably be a good 5 or so places higher if his recovery was... more like Pikachu's.
Pav7300
Smash Apprentice
I'd have to disagree with you there though that does make sense. Part of being good is to know how to control your emotions (not choking) sure a person could be better than someone because they aren't ****ing up. But because they are ****ing up and the other person isn't, that other person is therefore better because he is able to play with a clear head.
One of the Chess rules I've learned which I apply to life. Never panic, otherwise you will make mistake after mistake causing you to lose.
Best thing to do is to take a deep breathe and clear your head then accept what you have lost in order to keep the match, rather then trying to keep EVERYTHING together and losing the match.
I lol'd. So shut up your face!
dch111
Smash Journeyman
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In some scenarios (when both Link and Ness are at the distance from the stage that Link can choose to upB to the platform or to the edge), even Link's recovery is better than Ness's. If the Ness chooses to drop first and then do an upB to the edge, he is stopped by a simple tilt attack. If the Ness chooses to upB from where he is, he is easily interrupted before he can even finish. In both cases, his decision can be seen from a mile away. Link on the other hand can at least drop and upB quickly to the edge, less time for the opponent to respond, or he could even upB to the platform but slip-off to the edge. Not to mention retaliating from the edge is also better with Link since Ness's ledgehop is so slow.
Pav7300
Smash Apprentice
How do you upB to the platform but slip off to the edge?
Superstar
Smash Champion
Recovery is his biggest issue, but making it better wouldn't do much to him unless you made it like Mario's or Pikachu [and to some extent Kirby/Jiggs]. If you gave him Pikachu's recovery he'd be pretty insane, because part of Pikachu's recovery is that crazy x-speed. :3 But if you gave him, say, Fox's UpB, at best overall he'd go up 1 or 2 spots.
Usually, it's hard to have a good recovery AND a good approach, I notice. Maybe I'm wrong there.
Usually, it's hard to have a good recovery AND a good approach, I notice. Maybe I'm wrong there.
Zen Yore
Smash Ace
pika shouldnt be able to use his up+b another time if he gets hit while/after using it, a bit like brawl Pit
NOW WOULD BE PIKA BE LOW OR BOTTOM?
NOW WOULD BE PIKA BE LOW OR BOTTOM?
Skrlx
Smash Champion
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Pikachu is top tier since he can go off the stage as well to gimp easier.
He would probably be 1 spot below fox if this was true.
i wished sima's ness played isai's piakchu to show you how awesome ness is 
and i dont really get fox being on the same tier is pikachu, there almost ok matched up but theres a lot more room for error with a pikachu i reckon.
and i dont really get fox being on the same tier is pikachu, there almost ok matched up but theres a lot more room for error with a pikachu i reckon.
Ness is MUCH better in the japanese version, thats one of the main reasons why Sima seems to be so goodi wished sima's ness played isai's piakchu to show you how awesome ness is
and i dont really get fox being on the same tier is pikachu, there almost ok matched up but theres a lot more room for error with a pikachu i reckon.
For the first question: as Nixxon said, japanese tier would be different.i wished sima's ness played isai's piakchu to show you how awesome ness is
and i dont really get fox being on the same tier is pikachu, there almost ok matched up but theres a lot more room for error with a pikachu i reckon.
Link is better due to having an up as broken as Kirby's in the American version
Ness and Yoshi would have easier 0 to deaths
Falcon's recovery is much better in japanese version
Jigglypuff would be most likely slightly worse due to a worse rest
And otherwise that you wouldn't be able to DI out of drills so everyone would have incredibly easy 0 to deaths.
It would really come down even more than ssb for n64 for who has the best approachs and priority.
For the second part, fox has as many really good matchups as pikachu has. Sure pikachu is easier to play as, but if this was true, then kirby would be top tier since Kirby is incredibly easy to use.
Lovage
Smash Hero
nvm i changed my mind pika should be in his own tier
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japanese nesses playing american version ness is a work of art
She'd still be pretty good, not low or bottom though
FaWa
Smash Apprentice
Weegee D:
I got rigged.
But...
Mario :D
Yep, I main the brothers.
I got rigged.
But...
Mario :D
Yep, I main the brothers.
SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
more legit than the last
a whole lot better than the previous list
but the matchups aren't so horrible that some character's couldn't be changed...outside of Pikachu, Fox, Kirby, and Samus.
Mushinronsha
Smash Cadet
Makes sense. I think Pika's pretty far above Fox though.
pikachu is overpowered...its just that since characters can really combo pikachu heavy...its not as big a threat as compared to Metaknight in brawl due to the combos. Both of them are equally broken outside of stages. Also, fox has as good a matchups overall as Pikachu. Its just that Pikachu has more broken matchups and Fox has a weakness on Dreamland.
AtotheZ
Smash Lord
I'm just going to go ahead and ask it.
Is link on the tier list where he is now mainly because of his recovery?
Is link on the tier list where he is now mainly because of his recovery?
DMoogle
A$
Yeah, pretty much.
Lovage
Smash Hero
fox = mario !!!!!!!!
Imainlowtier
Smash Cadet
I'd combine B and C tiers and put Ness above Jiggs. Thats all I would do though.
Fireblaster
Smash Lord
Not entirely. If it were completely up to recovery, Ness would be lower than link.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
Link also has other noticeable cons. He has several very poor matchups, he has several slow-ish moves and is a fairly easy combo target due to his weight/falling speed. Recovery is probably still his worst flaw.
WTF? Link recovery < all recoveries