No, not into the safe zone! IT'S NOT SAFE!!
Falco's laser sets up for his kill moves. Marth loves the air..If he's within range, a laser into an up smash is an effective kill option.
I am going to ahve to crush you here with caps.
FALCO'S LASERS DO OT SET UP FOR ANY OF HIS KILL MOVES. THE HITSTUN OF THE LSER IS PISS POOR AND THE REQUIRED RANGE WOULD PALCE HIM WITHIN MARTHS ATTACK RANGE ALREADY!
A laser to Usmash is not possible not only because of bad hitstun but also because of the fact that marth has the mobilit required to ensure it doesnt happen, and that Falco would eat a Fair.
Even if Marth's smash has a bit more range, the difference is too small to notice. Another thing that Falco can do is QDA to catch marth at any range marth can hit at.
1. The range DOES matter because it means anything except Fsmash will not reach marth. let aone that the range on Falco's fsmash is negligible because the actual killing part of the Fsmash is much shorter than its range.
2. No. Again you are underestimating marths range. The dash attack itself is not extremely quick in terms of its movement. Cosidering how safe Marths attacks are, you are trying to use a move that already requires you to be within his attack range to hit him. Just like everything else falco has.
The dolphin slash is a risky move, let's be honest.
Stop lying its far frmo a risky move. its a dragon puch. hat mans if you are within range of a dolphin attacka dn you hit marth and he is out of hitstun for even 1 frame, its gonna smack you in the face.
It is a very nice move, but if the Falco is immediately taking the evasive route, it may miss and that will be trouble.
OOS Dolphin slash is unavoirable .
Dont ignore the context of which the move is used.
It is used when Falco is up close attacking Marth. Falco cant magically move away quick enough.
You said "Once marth gets up close" and I was pointing out that in close range combat, Falco is actually very good, but Marth wouldn't get close enough for that to matter, would he?
Except for the fact that falco NEEDS to be upclose to do actual damage. Why?
Well let us see. We are on FD and Falco starts camping with SDL lasers, marth starts approaching. remember marhs good speed and mobility. So he gets close in a short amount of time.
Falco then illusions to the other side, which misses, and marth moves back while in mid air to close the distance.
It isnt as if Falco is facing a kirby or a metaknight who have poor aerial speed and mobilit and so, cannot evade the lasers so easily.
marth however has those benefits so getting close is much easier for him plus hi range means he doesnt need to be as close as they would require either.
let alone Falco needs to get close to kill marth.
Where are you getting that Falco will ever have to approach Marth? Also, Falco's lasers set up nicely for his close range abilities any time Marth gets in the air.
No they don't, stop kidding around.
lasers dont setup for crap unless Falco is dumb close to the opponent.
Falco must approach if he ever wants to kill Marth, let alone marth can stay on the ledge for a bit.
Let alone again marth is quick and mobile.
While technically that is true, you have to look at the comfortable ranges of each character. For instance, DK outranges Link, but Link stays at a further range to use his projectiles that he can follow up with his ground attacks.
Links projectles are destroyable for one, so DK can hit them as he aproaches.
Zair he cant avoid which has MASSIVE range.
Link can spam all he wants but he is still goign to get approached by DK.
Once up close DK destroys Link and Link cant push DK away either.
he cant dolphin slash or fortress.
Marth's range is overrated because I'm constantly told that it's the best in the game,
Its not, its the fact that when you pair the range with his speed, that it is sooo good.
Look at Ike.
when it is clearly not even close.
We don't care what you have been told, we care about what is.
Falco likes to stay at a further range so that he can laser to keep you busy and then, once he hits you, charge you.
With kill moves that cannot be set up and also require you to be within the opponents attack range. Cant forgetabout that, and mind you, the opponent has a friggin Dragon punch.
If he stays at the proper range(that being just outside of Marth's) with this tactic he will effectively catch you.
Marth can move, marth's attacks are very very quick.
They are just as fast as Falco's and have better range.
Get *****.
Simple, SHDL. There is very little risk in that.[/uote]
You cant move n the air wihle SDLing and the opponent can continue movement during their airdodge.
So yeah. You are jumping up and down firing lasers but you cant move while firing the lasers. Which is something you could do at melee actually.
Falco's double laser has a lagless landing, he has plenty of time to respond to your movements.[/uote] its a pity of time that by the time he lands I have landed as well.
Oh and the fact he hasn't moved from his spot at all as he performed his SDL while i moved during my jump.
Well, obviously he won't spam it. But it does create a good bit of distance and Falco regains control fast enough to take further evasive action if it doesn't hit, while if it does he can set up camp once again.
Marth can simply move backwards. Thats how good his mobility is. Falco can take evasive action like?
If marth gets in range and Dtilts, you cant do anything except roll AWAY.
If you roll towards him you get smacked.
You roll away he continues pressing forward. You take for the air so does he and he moves faster than you in the air with mobility and range.
Falco must stay away at far range for an extended period of time, something that marth doesn't allow to occur for very long.
Then what was your answer? MK, Snake, Diddy, D3, Falco, Wario..who would you take out to put Marth in this group of 6? Ban the infinite, and you can add DK there.[/uote]
DK is nowhere near top 6. Don't make me friggin laugh. let alone we dont base things on character to character basis.
We go based on overall matchups and how well the character sis doing in the current metagame (since we use a weighted tier list).
Let us be realistic, MK and Snake arent going anywhere.
DDD may fall due to his bad matcups with some characters same with Wario(though warios are scattered not based in high and t0 like marth.)
Let alone when did we just to tierlist rather than matchup?
I didn't deny Marth's agility, it is nice, but lasers still mess with his aerial approach.
not really.
Lasers mess with aerial approaches significantly when the character has a poor aerial approach as in lacking speed and mobility. Marth has the ability to get close and stay close.
Since as soon as he gets close Falco cannot do anything without becoming extremely unsafe.
rising airdodge can be punished.
How?
saying ti can be punished means little if you do not say how.
Also, Falco doesn't like the F tilt because it's not his style. You are discussing the lag and weakness of the move, when I merely mentioned its range as an example of how people exaggerate Marth's range.[/quoet]
1.If Falco doesn't use Ftilt then, WHY THE **** ARE YOU EVEN MENTIONING IT IN THE MATCHUP!?
2.NO ONE CARES ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY ABOUT MARTHS RANGE! WE GO BY COLD HARD FACT.
3. Marth's range >Falco's range.
I never said anything about the effectiveness of the move. You seem to think that it is easy to perfectly space Falco, but it isn't.
Except that marth's capabilities is what makes spacing Falco easier than it would be for other characters.
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