The Official SBR-B Brawl Tier List v3.0

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Well people think Sonic's are nuts but he just kinda clicks y'know?

I have no idea how you can get Yoshi to click though. :/ He's so awkward.

 

[Commander_Beef]

It seems such a coincidence that the three characters that I main/secondary have dropped at least one spot for each tier list lmao .
King Dedede, R.O.B. and Donkey Kong.

 

[bigman40]

Well people think Sonic's are nuts but he just kinda clicks y'know?

I have no idea how you can get Yoshi to click though. :/ He's so awkward.

The fact that you have to maintain mid range spacing almost constantly would state that he's very awkward

 

[Super Shadow Brawler 99]

Wow Ness actually dropped lower than Lucas. I was expecting him to go further but I guess I was wrong. also glad to see Lucas didn't drop as much as I thought he would.

 

[Popertop]

Besides, she loves to far more characters then Marth.

I bet she does

 

[Commander_Beef]

The fact that you have to maintain mid range spacing almost constantly would state that he's very awkward

Yoshi is generally more harder to control than people think...it affects his gameplay a lot.

And yeah I can't believe Ness went lower than Lucas too, Ness is the better character.

 

[Super Shadow Brawler 99]

Well Ness has better air attacks than Lucas, but he really isn't that much better than him. They are about equal.

 

[Commander_Beef]

wow Samus is higher than expected lululz.

She's actually lower than expected. She's only right above the four worst characters in the game -_-...
She went down, but she shouldn't be that low for her metagame to be that bad.

 

[Popertop]

the issue with Ness is that he's not represented very well

 

[bigman40]

Yoshi is generally more harder to control than people think...it affects his gameplay a lot.

Pretty much. Having the fastest aerial speed in the game doesn't mean amazing stuff when his acceleration sucks ***.

 

[Ranor469]

Some just random critique-

-Why did Zelda go down so much? She just about equal matchups with EVERY character except a select few (gets ***** hard by olimar and GaW but ***** CF). I excepted her to stay about the same but down 4? Idk seems a bit illogical to me. Is it the tourny placements or seomthing?

Is ****** CF supposed to mean anything? Last I checked, CF is not a problem to anyone....

 

[boomshakalaka]

ganon *****
o and diddy is BEAST, lets goo0o0

 

[Bellioes]

I was really expecting PT to go up to at least C tier. Other than that, I feel its pretty good.
But Sonic went up 11 SPOTS

 

[Super Shadow Brawler 99]

I was really expecting PT to go up to at least C tier. Other than that, I feel its pretty good.
But Sonic went up 11 SPOTS

11 spots?! Wow some people know how to bring him back pretty quickly.

 

[Shadow13]

for a while, i was saying Ganon was the worst and CF wasn't, so woohoo! CF is too cool to be last
Wario moving up is awesome, same with TL, Pit, and Luigi

 

[Ranor469]

for a while, i was saying Ganon was the worst and CF wasn't, so woohoo! CF is too cool to be last
Wario moving up is awesome, same with TL, Pit, and Luigi

TL and Pit didn't move up, DK just moved down...

 

[mdmfromdaridge]

I like this division much better than v2.0. Still think metaknight should implode.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I was really expecting PT to go up to at least C tier. Other than that, I feel its pretty good.
But Sonic went up 11 SPOTS

*facepalm*

Try 8 or 10.

 

[Super Shadow Brawler 99]

*facepalm*

Try 8 or 10.

Oh it was 8

 

[JOE!]

Wario's metagame has been and still is advancing pretty fast. Only recently have players started using his instant wipeout and bike to edgeguard and force readable and punishable moves from their opponents, who then lose a stock to a waft.

And yes, Wario can go an entire game without getting grabbed. If the Wario player is a douche, and he gets a stock lead on you, and he decides to aircamp and does it well, consider the match lost.

I think Wario is above Falco b/c Wario doesn't have any hard counters, whereas Falco has 2 (possibly Pika, and then ICs). Wario also has a CG on Falco as well

makes sense, but im still not sure if 3rd belongs to him >.> (might have to check out more pro warios...)

anywho, I think the only things holding yoshi back are a stigma that his recovery blows, and his odd moveset/style...

other than that, he has no really bad matchups, and Ok tourney results....should be in D tier...I honestly think hes on the lvl of Pokemon trainer when used well

 

[Bellioes]

True I messed up the count LOL
Its 8

 

[ISMFOF]

man, i thought marth would be S class material for sure. but all my fv chars are always in the A class.

 

[Commander_Beef]

I was really expecting PT to go up to at least C tier. Other than that, I feel its pretty good.
But Sonic went up 11 SPOTS

I think they didn't reach C tier because of Ivysaur's horrible recovery...
It's worse than Olimar's!

 

[Shark Week]

i've been saying pt was mid tier material since the beginning while other "well known" players were claiming he was bottom tier and you should count all the pokemon separate.

me - over 9k
the rest of you - ...... i don't know, 4 maybe? you guys are never right, so i just stopped counting.

imo this list still shortchanges him by a couple spots. within 2 tier lists he'll be c tier, i bet.

 

[Bellioes]

Yeah it doesnt even aim for the ledge right?
Also, about Marth in A tier, I actually agree. I mean some of his worst matchups are in S tier (MK, Snake, and D3)

 

[Tamoo]

try saying Ivysaurs recovery sucks after this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86-0H96ZsMQ

hehe, but yeah, characters like yoshi i still feel have potential, dunno bout others, maybe olimar too, still think he's better than some above him

 

[noradseven]

Ahh sandbag bottom again, Isn't it sad sandbag .

try saying Ivysaurs recovery sucks after this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86-0H96ZsMQ

hehe, but yeah, characters like yoshi i still feel have potential, dunno bout others, maybe olimar too, still think he's better than some above him

Its still p. bad, it is interesting that it isn't affected by being under the stage like most though.

 

[Arora]

now i feel like a***** for using diddy and dedede
but whatever

 

[Emblem Lord]

Huh?
You feel like bring an ******* for bringing a weapon to a battle in the coliseum and your opponent is using their bare hands?

That's how I read your post.

A character is a tool to attain victory.

Nothing more.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

It's different. They have the same weapons at their disposal.

try saying Ivysaurs recovery sucks after this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86-0H96ZsMQ

hehe, but yeah, characters like yoshi i still feel have potential, dunno bout others, maybe olimar too, still think he's better than some above him

<3

 

[JOE!]

try saying Ivysaurs recovery sucks after this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86-0H96ZsMQ

hehe, but yeah, characters like yoshi i still feel have potential, dunno bout others, maybe olimar too, still think he's better than some above him

so full of win...

 

[The Milk Monster]

Some just random critique-

-Why did Zelda go down so much? She just about equal matchups with EVERY character except a select few (gets ***** hard by olimar and GaW but ***** CF). I excepted her to stay about the same but down 4? Idk seems a bit illogical to me. Is it the tourny placements or seomthing?

-Sonic....wow =P

-I thought that yoshi's even matchup with metaknight would help him a bit more but up is always good

-Link isnt that bad is he. Under CF?

A lot of good things though =)

-Seperation between Ness and Lucas was needed

-Ganon bottom I agree with

-I never thought Dedede truly deserved top 5 just my opinion though

A well thought out list overall though some good decisions, don't flame me I'm not up to date with tourny info and junk just my opinion

Zelda dropped so much because no one is repping her really.
Sonic deserves it.
Yoshi isn't gonna' change much just from one even match up.
Link's recovery prevents him from raising.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Lucas and Ness didn't NEED to be separated. It was just deemed correct this time.

 

[mightychir]

YAY! ^_^ CF moved up more!

 

[A~Kid/ToonethLinkage]

I think Marth should have moved up not down. He should have been at least 4th place. IDK why Wario is up there but he is a great character but IDK, he just popped outta nowhere. And Falco, he should have dropped A LOT more. He should have been at least in 7th place.

 

[link64e]

I knew IC's were going to jump up! God **** those Chain Grabs!

Wario and Diddy deserved a move up too. Those banana's are insane.

 

[Shadow13]

TL and Pit didn't move up, DK just moved down...

and because of DK moving down ZSS took his place, TL took her place, and Pit took his place, so they did move up

 

[-dUb-]

I put the voting data into easy to follow charts!
It makes it easier to see tier differences
Enjoy!

 

[Mr.E]

Isn't Snake supposed to be a tough match for ZSS too? This is actually just something for me to put before my quote responses but it is a legitimate question.

I'm also somewhat surprised nobody addressed my stint about Wario. I'll go ahead and somewhat respond to PhantomX while I bring him up again: Marth also doesn't have any hard counters. Marth can also avoid being grabbed rather easily, due to his range more than his unremarkable (but solid) mobility. So what makes Wario the superior character? His most notable advantage seems to be his weight/recovery but the fact Marth kills better and Wario also dies at 110 to half the cast if he is grabbed seems like it would counterbalance that...

ROB vs Fox

sorry no -- ROB's only heinous match-ups are MK and ZSS. Some argue G&W but opinions of that match-up have been steadily moving toward more neutral and MK is a bad match for everyone. ROB is one of the more neutral characters, not quite on the level of Marth/Wario but more than the likes of anyone else in the upper tiers. Dedede is especially bad in this regard, having more bad upper-tier match-ups than good ones, yet he still managed to sneak into bottom of S-Tier while ROB and G&W drop like a rock.

Mah buddy (of the robotic operating kind) just needs more tourney rep. But then who all plays some of these other characters either?

On that note, Emblem Lord:

You lose to two or more characters in the top tier and you don't matter. That goes for blue haired swordsmen and gun totting bounty hunters with skin tight body suits.

Well first off, MK beats everybody, theoretically dumping everyone out of top tier but himself and Falco. (Wario also losing to D3 and Falco beating everyone else.) But more seriously...

Dedede gets destroyed by Falco and Olimar and still has a bad match-up with Diddy and MK... and G&W, Pikachu, Ice Climbers, and Kirby. That's 2/3 of the upper two tiers (not including himself) and even the four he has a "decent" match-up against aren't that far in his favor, if at all for ROB. He's too reliant on his CG to be dangerous but most of the upper-tier characters can't be CGed. The only thing notable about him that endures as a solid advantage over his upper-tier peers is his massive weight, since most are lightweight, but even so he's the only heavyweight of the bunch (Snake, Wario, ROB) easily edgeguarded.

But you're definitely right about the tier list meaning nothing. The game didn't change, only people's perceptions about it. I think you're a bit harsh on the whole "so-and-so can't win a major tourney," though. You might as well go so far as to say nobody but MK will ever win a national event with that attitude.

 

[DMG]

Marth kills better than Wario? What?

One of the commonly known problems for Marth involves his killing options. They are fairly unsafe for the most part, and they will not kill opponents fast unless you tipper them. Getting a tipper Fsmash on someone in a high level match is... very hard to do lol.

Wario doesn't lose to Dedede, the matchup is arguably even for both sides. As for Falco, it's of my opinion that overall vs Wario he loses. Wario's only proven hard matchups are Marth, who I would barely consider 60:40 overall and CP's can swing it towards Wario's favor, and then MK who a lot of people agree that he's 55:45 overall. Everyone else is either even or Wario's favor overall.

Dedede's matchups are a lot closer than I think you perceive them. Especially for Olimar, IC's, and Kirby.