The Official SBR-B Brawl Tier List v3.0

[Steeler]

btw thanks sir bedevere lol, but thats probably coz Australia is full of scrubs and were all 2 years behind the brawl metagame

you can tell australia is REALLY far behind because brawl has only been out for about a year.

 

[Kain17]

Zss was really underused, along with wario. hopefully this will help garner recognition. hopefully not :3 I like being an UU main.

 

[talkingbeatles]

Captain Falcon also can't approach IMO because his attacks are slow and lacks priority. CF also has slow attack speed and though longer than Ganon's recovery, it's as easy to intercept. What CF has is camping, but he is weaker and lower priority than Ganon.

Yeah but he's faster, and that counts for a lot.
The thing that hurts Falcon the most is three ****ty B moves. His "a" game, especially in the air is decent. And his speed rocks, obviously. His jab is also amazing.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Zss was really underused, along with wario. hopefully this will help garner recognition. hopefully not :3 I like being an UU main.

ZSS will never gain "recognition." We've got 0-deaths, chaingrabs, dash attack locks that work on the whole cast, a cool playstyle, whips guns and chains, solid matchups, and people still don't play her. It's never going to change.

 

[smash64]

ill do my best to bring Ness up the tier list!

 

[talkingbeatles]

ill do my best to bring Ness up the tier list!

Yeah. Ness is real low for some reason.

 

[Arzengel]

Pit's up again!! way to go! Soon we'll equal like in Japan.

 

[Matador]

ZSS will never gain "recognition." We've got 0-deaths, chaingrabs, dash attack locks that work on the whole cast, a cool playstyle, whips guns and chains, solid matchups, and people still don't play her. It's never going to change.

High learning curve and lightweight are pretty strong deterrents. "Cool" playstyle is rather relative as well.

I honestly prefer a fireball-slinging plumber with unexplainable martial arts prowess

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

High learning curve and lightweight are pretty strong deterrents. "Cool" playstyle is rather relative as well.

I honestly prefer a fireball-slinging plumber with unexplainable martial arts prowess

I lol'd. Well said.

 

[Dark Paladin X]

Oh noes! Lucario has been dropped from 10th/11th to 14th. *indifferent*

Anyways, despite Lucario being dropped by 4 places, I am still don't give a **** on tiers. Frankly, tiers are there to demonize and poke fun of players who choose lower tier characters in tournaments to wins because the said character is their favorite (such as someone saying "OMG, I play Wario and you play Lucario. Wario is in a higher tier placement than Lucario. Therefore, you suck ***). Go ahead and continue trying to place the Pokemon version of Chuck Norris (Lucario) into the lowest tier placement for all I care, but I want to see your logical reasoning WHY you lowered Lucario in the tier list. If someone relies on making a living by gambling when spectating/playing a SSBB battle by using the tier list (such as person A betting $600 on person B that Marth will beat Lucario in the next battle), then you really need a new job. Skill is more important than tiers (and you knows, Lucario might able to **** Marth really easily).

 

[DanGR]

ZSS will never gain "recognition." We've got 0-deaths, chaingrabs, dash attack locks that work on the whole cast, a cool playstyle, whips guns and chains, solid matchups, and people still don't play her. It's never going to change.

My theory behind why she's so unpopular is that she's not on the character select screen, you can't select her with random... and she's at the bottom of the character board page, haha. But really, people didn't play her much when the game first came out partly because of that and she was difficult to use (at least IMO). Nowadays, she's still more difficult to use and be good with compared to the other, better characters that have dumb-easy chaingrabs and the like. You know how that is.

 

[Grunt]

Oh noes! Lucario has been dropped from 10th/11th to 14th. *indifferent*

Anyways, despite Lucario being dropped by 4 places, I am still don't give a **** on tiers. Frankly, tiers are there to demonize and poke fun of players who choose lower tier characters in tournaments to wins because the said character is their favorite (such as someone saying "OMG, I play Wario and you play Lucario. Wario is in a higher tier placement than Lucario. Therefore, you suck ***). Go ahead and continue trying to place the Pokemon version of Chuck Norris (Lucario) into the lowest tier placement for all I care, but I want to see your logical reasoning WHY you lowered Lucario in the tier list. If someone relies on making a living by gambling when spectating/playing a SSBB battle by using the tier list (such as person A betting $600 on person B that Marth will beat Lucario in the next battle), then you really need a new job. Skill is more important than tiers (and you knows, Lucario might able to **** Marth really easily).

Hes lower because he's been doing worse in tournaments.

 

[Dark Paladin X]

Hes lower because he's been doing worse in tournaments.

So, he's doing worse because of "tournament standings." Can anyone explain why his "tournament standings" got worse? What about skill of the player? That is another factor that may influence the tier list. For example, a skillful Captain Falcon player may most likely to easily defeat a skillful Marth player.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Hes lower because he's been doing worse in tournaments.

I think Grunt just hit the nail right on the coffin.

GG.

Now if you're done complaining about Tires, go out and start winning tourneys with Lucario Dark Pally.

K?

Edit: For the love of pete, bro, tier lists are just a generalization. Yes, individual skill is very important but tiers don't reflect that, don't account for that; they are static and just represent empirical data based on performance in tourney and performance in the overall meta-game.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Grunt]

except that has never happened.
at least not enough to counter all the other times marths have beaten falcons.

 

[smashkng]

Does Koopa's legendary grab release game make him have better matchups that it was shown in the chart?

Why is Yoshi so low, I think he is for slightly below low mid tier.

 

[bigman40]

Does Koopa's legendary grab release game make him have better matchups that it was shown in the chart?

Why is Yoshi so low, I think he is for slightly below low mid tier.

Not enough Rep in tourneys
Most Yoshi players don't believe in using technique(s) that supposedly helps them alot (DR/DT)

 

[Dark Paladin X]

Edit: For the love of pete, bro, tier lists are just a generalization. Yes, individual skill is very important but tiers don't reflect that, don't account for that; they are static and just represent empirical data based on performance in tourney and performance in the overall meta-game.

Smooth Criminal

I'm not complaining about tiers or anything, I'm just against it. Everyone have different skils and I believe all characters have some ups and drawbacks (such as something have higher speed may have lower power and vice versa) and all characters are created equally in Brawl. Although there are some cases where having one character go against another may be difficult (for example, when I played a tournament in my college campus using Lucario, I manage to beat a Yoshi player in the first round, but got defeated by an Olimar player in the second round). Besides, I happen to use Lucario's counterattack very liberally.

EDIT: If you want to know, the settings of the tournament in my college was 5 stock, no timer, and no items).

 

[Gindler]

I still can't do DR/DT on command. I can do it just it's still not nearly reliable yet. But yeah he gets no rep at all. Oh well.

 

[M.K]

I still believe that Captain Falcon is the worst player in the game. At least when I face a Ganondorf, I have the fear that every attack could potentitally kill me in a matter of a few hits. Falcon, not so much .
. They both fail at approaching, so it's just a matter of which ones are more deadly when they ACTUALLY hit.

 

[Swordplay]

Sakuri Hates the Zelda series.

Or maybe.....


Sakuri hates Miyamoto.

 

[Dark Paladin X]

Sakuri Hates the Zelda series.

Or maybe.....


Sakuri hates Miyamoto.

Lol.

Do you even think that Sakurai himself is aware about the tier lists that gamers where creating? I don't think he ever mentions/promotes/knows about their tier lists. And even if he finds out about this tier list, he would oppose tiers anyways.

 

[Popertop]

He's jealous that Miyamoto's games are better, so he sabatoges his own career.

 

[Swordplay]

he's Jealous That Miyamoto's Games Are Better, So He Sabatoges His Own Career.

Qtf!!!!!!!!!


This Quote Is Godly!!!!!!!


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Everybody knows the tier list ACTUALLY looks like this.


Miyamoto
*Brawl Cast*
Inui
Sakurai

 

[yummynbeefy]

Omg Jigglypuff Shud Be Higher But W/e

i actually really agree with this jiggs deserves to be middle imo she handles every character just fine sept for GnW

 

[BurningCrusader777]

On the subject of CF and Ganondorf...
It's really a matter of getting camped all day, or being able to get move but barely being able to do much when you're there.

Ganondorf has deadly single strikes, true, but when you can sit on one side of the stage and throw projectiles at the guy all day, while he can barely do anything about it, it's not much of a worrying matchup. And then when he does get in, you can just play mid-close range and toss him about, since he attacks so slowly.

Captain Falcon, on the other hand, can get around camping with a lot less effort, and can at least pull a hit and run. He still gets ***** at mid-close range though and obviously can't land as lethal blows as Ganondorf.

Though at the end of the day, they're both pretty bad :/

 

[Frown]

Just WHY THE HELL are you flaming Sakurai? HE MADE THE GAME.

Jerks.

 

[:mad:]

People must hate the game.

My god.

 

[Red Arremer]

Sakuri Hates the Zelda series.

Or maybe.....


Sakuri hates Miyamoto.

I thought the first half year where everyone misspells "Sakurai" has been over?

 

[Lovely]

Kirby <3

Ice Climbers <3

Wario <3

Samus D:

Marth D:

I guess I'm alright with this tier list, much more satisfied than the Japanese tier list.

 

[Inui]

On the subject of CF and Ganondorf...
It's really a matter of getting camped all day, or being able to get move but barely being able to do much when you're there.

Ganondorf has deadly single strikes, true, but when you can sit on one side of the stage and throw projectiles at the guy all day, while he can barely do anything about it, it's not much of a worrying matchup. And then when he does get in, you can just play mid-close range and toss him about, since he attacks so slowly.

Captain Falcon, on the other hand, can get around camping with a lot less effort, and can at least pull a hit and run. He still gets ***** at mid-close range though and obviously can't land as lethal blows as Ganondorf.

Though at the end of the day, they're both pretty bad :/

qft

Ganondorf is the worst ever.

 

[Gaki]

Tier list is meh

 

[Brinzy]

Dark Paladin, please be against tiers elsewhere. Also, please don't assume idiot logic, as in the whole "my character is a higher tier, so you (the player) suck" and "tier lists are made to poke fun at lower tiers."

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I wonder why the decision was made to top the SS tier and combine a few. (SS,S and A from previous) .

Dark Paladin, please be against tiers elsewhere. Also, please don't assume idiot logic, as in the whole "my character is a higher tier, so you (the player) suck" and "tier lists are made to poke fun at lower tiers."

Dark Paladin has just been Raphael-ed lol

 

[Inui]

all characters are created equally in Brawl.

LMAO

This couldn't be farther from the truth.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

LMAO

This couldn't be farther from the truth.

But more so than in melee. In melee the bottom tiers could barely even compete with the top. Now, about half of the tier list characters are viable for tournament play.

I just found this funny xD

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

qft

Ganondorf is the worst ever.

Yeah. I'm pretty sure that Ganondorf has some of the most one sided matchups against him in the entire cast.

Any time you literally can't do anything against a given character.... ouch.

 

[smashkng]

I think melee kirby and pichu are even worse. They have lots of 0-100.

 

[Ryusuta]

But more so than in melee. In melee the bottom tiers could barely even compete with the top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq5ZCVRIihI

...I'm sorry, what was that you were saying?

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

But more so than in melee. In melee the bottom tiers could barely even compete with the top. Now, about half of the tier list characters are viable for tournament play.

In melee, pretty much every character could do SOMETHING as long as you could initiate it. The game was all about offense. Brawl is different. The mechanics make it a lot easier to escape combos and follow ups so that it's a game that is much more about options, because you're going to constantly need to reestablish an offense.

In brawl, a lot of characters simply don't have enough options. I think that's worse in the long run.