The Official "Should/Will Metaknight be banned?" Thread (LISTEN TO THE SBR PODCAST!)

[CR4SH]

So... what exactly have we accomplished so far?

Lol, well read the first page. Thats about how far we've gotten.

If you want an example...

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=5560666#post5560666

If you become a decent snake you would already know this though..

from a post that might as well be entitled "M2K trying to save his meal ticket"

Also, I AM a decent snake, and I know he's about as good against MK as you're going to get. But he's still at somewhat of a disadvantage. He can do alot of things to MK that most characters can't, but he still gets out-speeded, out-pressured and ***** when he's trying to recover. It comes out almost even, but not quite.

On top of all of this, MK is good on every single stage. In a game that relies on stage countering so much, that has to be taken into account as well. Only MK is good against every character. And I would venture to say, no other character does as well with the entire stage list.

I still don't think MK should be banned. But douchebags like you are making me want to change my mind.

 

[Mew2King]

to the above poster, no, snake wins on corneria and norfair, meaning you always have a counterpick against mk. Snake grenade camping perfectly has the advantage if he doesn't let himself get gimped. If you DI the up B, then MK takes 6%, and you take 8%, and considering your weights it's basically the same amount. If you DI it it isn't that good unless you are going to seriously follow up a LOT, and a good snake has plenty of options to get down.

 

[complexity1234]

-_- its a lost cause....

 

[Master Raven]

from a post that might as well be entitled "M2K trying to save his meal ticket"

He doesn't need MK to **** most people. MK just happens to be his favorite character to play with I think.

 

[Tim_The_Enchanter]

Since I last posted, there has been around ZERO progress. Can we just take a vote or something?

 

[CR4SH]

Since I last posted, there has been around ZERO progress. Can we just take a vote or something?

No, because it isn't really up to us.

 

[Tim_The_Enchanter]

No, because it isn't really up to us.

So what's the point of discussing at this point?

 

[Koga]

Lol, well read the first page. Thats about how far we've gotten.



from a post that might as well be entitled "M2K trying to save his meal ticket"

Also, I AM a decent snake, and I know he's about as good against MK as you're going to get. But he's still at somewhat of a disadvantage. He can do alot of things to MK that most characters can't, but he still gets out-speeded, out-pressured and ***** when he's trying to recover. It comes out almost even, but not quite.

On top of all of this, MK is good on every single stage. In a game that relies on stage countering so much, that has to be taken into account as well. Only MK is good against every character. And I would venture to say, no other character does as well with the entire stage list.

I still don't think MK should be banned. But douchebags like you are making me want to change my mind.

You make it sound like M2k can't win with other characters. Do you realy want to go there?

also, this game is WAAAAYYY more than a bunch of countering. That right there is the reason that so many people are up in arms over MK, they think this game is one big Counter pick instead of a struggle vs your opponent.

 

[salaboB]

So what's the point of discussing at this point?

Lets people get it out of their systems.

 

[brinboy789]

Lol, well read the first page. Thats about how far we've gotten.

50$ M2K would **** you with falcon

 

[Snail]

50$ M2K would **** you with falcon

Which is relevant because?

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

**** this, im outta this thread.
this is MY prediction
once MK is safe, you are all gonna go NO WAIIIIIIII HES BROKEN WAHHHHHH
im not gonna say i told ya so but...if you just listened to me isntead of flamed, we might have actually had an agreement, but ok, irdc what you all think. i tried to explain, but all i get are insults. i get "no your wrong" on all my arguements most of the time w/out arguements. oh, w/e, idc. you all can have a good time wait for it. MK will not be banned!

lies and illusions it seems.

how dissapointing.

 

[ShadowLink84]

No, because it isn't really up to us.

Um it is.
Don't be stupid.

Again the SBR is jsut the SBr. nothing they say is set in stone.
just because they say stalling with the ininite is capped at 999% doesn't mean you have to listen.

the TO's choose what to do and what not to do.

You choose whether or not to go to the tournaments.

hence its left to you.
what teh SBR says is more like a suggestion. not an official ruling.

 

[S.B.Soldier]

god why do i keep posting on this mk dealie.. i guess its because im bored.. this argument is getting so senseless

 

[da K.I.D.]

50$ M2K would **** you with falcon

i would take that match any single day of the week

and im not even joking.

 

[S.B.Soldier]

$50.00 seems a bit low for m2k... try $100

 

[Praxis]

On top of all of this, MK is good on every single stage.

FYI- I think there is one stage that potentially gives some characters an even matchup with MK.

That stage is Green Greens. It removes his recovery advantage and gimping prowess because the walls are so short recovery is unnecessary, and leaves him light and easy to kill. Short ceiling helps too because MK doesn't kill off the top now, so you can camp in the middle and he can't kill you well (you can tech off the walls) while you can kill him straight up if you have a good upwards kill move (Snake utilt).

The bombs only do 20% damage, but on MK that is a lot more important since we've now established that on Green Greens his good recovery doesn't matter and he's light and dies fast.

However, Green Greens, the only viable MK counterpick stage, is for some absurd reason banned by many TO's, while the campfest known as Luigi's Mansion is somehow legal. The reasoning completely escapes me. 20% bombs that are not random and only fall in one section of the stage and ONLY when blocks are missing thus being very predictable, and have hitboxes that don't linger (you can spotdodge the explosions or shield them) and don't kill below 100% with proper DI is NOT that bad.

 

[brinboy789]

FYI- I think there is one stage that potentially gives some characters an even matchup with MK.

That stage is Green Greens. It removes his recovery advantage and gimping prowess because the walls are so short recovery is unnecessary, and leaves him light and easy to kill. Short ceiling helps too because MK doesn't kill off the top now, so you can camp in the middle and he can't kill you well (you can tech off the walls) while you can kill him straight up if you have a good upwards kill move (Snake utilt).

The bombs only do 20% damage, but on MK that is a lot more important since we've now established that on Green Greens his good recovery doesn't matter and he's light and dies fast.

However, Green Greens, the only viable MK counterpick stage, is for some absurd reason banned by many TO's, while the campfest known as Luigi's Mansion is somehow legal. The reasoning completely escapes me. 20% bombs that are not random and only fall in one section of the stage and ONLY when blocks are missing thus being very predictable, and have hitboxes that don't linger (you can spotdodge the explosions or shield them) and don't kill below 100% with proper DI is NOT that bad.

the column thingies block all projectiles

and for everybody else, im not gonna post much, just gonna watch from the sidelines

 

[Praxis]

Oh, I think everyone here might get a laugh out of this.
Jamnt0ast and I were teamed at a tourney and went up against the double-MK team of Eggz and Gimpyfish (notably, Gimpyfish is a Sheik main, not an MK main).

After they ***** us (note- we only lost to the double MK teams in this tournament. Eggz and Gimpyfish, and brdy and Jem. Jem was switching between MK and Falco though), we gave up and decided to try something else...


Hilarity ensued. Yes, this is in tournament.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNa11bpyN6s

 

[da K.I.D.]

a lot of places that i know of do ban the mansion.

and also. any stage with a wall, mk can infinite you with his jab.
also, grounded shuttle loop can kill low on that stage, and green greens is one of the harder stage to avoid camping on. MK can block just about any entrance to the side platforms with up smash and up tilt, and while hes camping on one of those sides, downsmash will kill at stupid low %

 

[The Real Inferno]

Oh, I think everyone here might get a laugh out of this.
Jamnt0ast and I were teamed at a tourney and went up against the double-MK team of Eggz and Gimpyfish (notably, Gimpyfish is a Sheik main, not an MK main).

After they ***** us (note- we only lost to the double MK teams in this tournament. Eggz and Gimpyfish, and brdy and Jem. Jem was switching between MK and Falco though), we gave up and decided to try something else...


Hilarity ensued. Yes, this is in tournament.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNa11bpyN6s

That was worse than me and Steeler taking DSF and Edrees to Port Town. My God.

 

[Praxis]

the column thingies block all projectiles

and for everybody else, im not gonna post much, just gonna watch from the sidelines

So? We can use projectiles to detonate the column's bombs.

 

[Praxis]

a lot of places that i know of do ban the mansion.

and also. any stage with a wall, mk can infinite you with his jab.
also, grounded shuttle loop can kill low on that stage, and green greens is one of the harder stage to avoid camping on. MK can block just about any entrance to the side platforms with up smash and up tilt, and while hes camping on one of those sides, downsmash will kill at stupid low %

WA bans the mansion and legalizes Greens fortunately, but we're cool like that.

MK can NOT infinite you on Green Greens- the dtilt will break the blocks.

and while hes camping on one of those sides, downsmash will kill at stupid low %

It also detonates bomb blocks next to him, so he has to be cautious in usage sometimes.

 

[GofG]

Praxis gets added to the list for being awesome.

 

[_Phloat_]

admins.. i need help... my comp keeps double posting... HELP!

Just because this is a spammy thread doesn't mean you can lie to up your post count.

10noeditstamps.

Duh

 

[da K.I.D.]

i said he can infinite with jabs

 

[ShadowLink84]

you can't infinite with jabs this game

 

[brinboy789]

i said he can infinite with jabs

MK's infinite jab ends @ around 120. i infinited a peach @ a friendly @ a tourney, and i got up to around 120 when she was able to jump to free herself. walls are banned because of D3's chaingrab, not because of jabs

 

[The Real Inferno]

If you're talking about Metaknight Infiniting with his Basa A on Green Greens....that's some serious fail DI by whoever is getting infinited.

 

[Eggz]

smash DI > "infinite"

and its not an infinite if it ends at anything

 

[Praxis]

MK's infinite jab ends @ around 120. i infinited a peach @ a friendly @ a tourney, and i got up to around 120 when she was able to jump to free herself. walls are banned because of D3's chaingrab, not because of jabs

I have a hard time believing this can't be escaped with SDI. Plus, on Greens, it would once again break the wall unless spaced very well.

Also, banning a stage because of one character seems dumb. You can just ban Green Greens if your opponent is a DDD, or learn to play smart there.

 

[choknater]

scrambed eggz is right

lol jab locking

sux

 

[da K.I.D.]

well the other stuff still applys

and what if your opponent plays Mk and D3

 

[The Real Inferno]

well the other stuff still applys

and what if your opponent plays Mk and D3

I suggest you switch to Game and watch and spam bacon at the D3 then from across the wall. lol

 

[_Phloat_]

well the other stuff still applys

and what if your opponent plays Mk and D3

His mastery of a dual character should be applauded.



Also, stage bans if you fear a gay counterpick.

 

[kr3wman]

Praxis gets added to the list for being awesome.

Praxis always was awesome even before joining Smashboards.

 

[Overswarm]

Yeah, but his exam is ********.

 

[CR4SH]

50$ M2K would **** you with falcon

No **** sherlock. But I'm not on the level of people competing with M2K for the big money.

50$ you'll post everything you'll ever post at SWF without saying anything intelligent.

 

[RoboticTuna]

I'd like to see Meta Knight eat a ban, yeah.

But I agree that it would be best to give it a little more time as well.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

No **** sherlock. But I'm not on the level of people competing with M2K for the big money.

50$ you'll post everything you'll ever post at SWF without saying anything intelligent.

no **** sherlock no one will ever take you up on that bet.

edit: lol he didn't even take you up on it.