The Perfect Character

[Rooktionary]

So I was in class, hella bored, and was trying to come up with the perfect character by combining the best moves into one character.. IE Forward Air would be Falcon's Knee, Pikachu's Up-Smash, Jiggz' bair, marth's wavedash, Falcon's taunt etc.

So i ask you, Smashboarders, what moves would your perfect character consist of?

BTW, the tricky part is having them all complement each other. For example, if you think fox has the best down-b, and falco, has the best dair, those two wouldnt really flow well together, ya dig? So its not just "which move is the best herp derp", its which moves are the best that also go with each other?

 

[phanna]

Not to herp, but derp:

My attempt at the ultimate character
ultimate smash character
(fun topic) What combination of moves would make the buffest character?
How would YOUR ultimate character be?
Your Ideal Character: Different moves;Different character

 

[StealthyGunnar]

Falcon's Fair.
Falcon's Uair.
Fox's Nair.
Jigg's Bair
Falco's Dair.
Sheik's Ftilt.
Falcon's Dtilt.
Samus's Utilt.
Falco's B.
Fox's/Falco's OverB (whichever 1 is longer).
Falco's DownB.
Fox's UpB.
Peach's Downsmash.
Pikachu's Usmash.
Falco's OverSmash.
Fox's Uthrow.
Falcon's Dthrow.
Pikachu's Bthrow.
Peach's Fthrow.

Can have multiple jumps like Jiggly, and is about the same weight as sheik, and will ****?

 

[Zodiac]

Sheik or fox with marth's range and falcos laser.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

giga bowser will an unbreakable sheild and more inv. frame for up-B

 

[machinegungeek]

Falcon's Fair.
Falcon's Uair.
Fox's Nair.
Jigg's Bair
Falco's Dair.
Sheik's Ftilt.
Falcon's Dtilt.
Samus's Utilt.
Falco's B.
Fox's/Falco's OverB (whichever 1 is longer).
Falco's DownB.
Fox's UpB.
Peach's Downsmash.
Pikachu's Usmash.
Falco's OverSmash.
Fox's Uthrow.
Falcon's Dthrow.
Pikachu's Bthrow.
Peach's Fthrow.

Can have multiple jumps like Jiggly, and is about the same weight as sheik, and will ****?

Going off this I would give this character Peach's floating (why not?) . And different UpB. Fox's is way easy to edge guard ue to start-up. Maybe M2's or Pikachu's (Marth's??)? Or Samus' for onstage use OOS. Isn't Fox's up-smash better than pikachu's due to range? And IDK about the throws. Maybe Sheik's downthrow. Most up-throws suck. Maybe Peach's for chaining spacies? Or M2's for vertical KO's.

Would have Falcon's dash (moonwalk, DD) as well.

Of course, one could potentially create a character who's every move was made to rest combo.....

 

[EPsilon933]

jab: Sheik
ftilt: Sheik
dtilt: Roy
util: Marth
fsmash: Marth
dsmash: Peach
usmash: Fox
dash attack: Peach
grab: Marth
dash grab: Marth
nair: Link
fair: Ganondorf
bair: Jigglypuff
dair: Falco
uair: Captain Falcon
neutral b: Falco
forward b: Captain Falcon
down b: Jigglypuff
up b: Bowser
fthrow: Peach
dthrow: Sheik
uthrow: Marth
bthrow: Jigglypuff
get up attack (face down): Sheik
get up attack (face up): Luigi
ledge get up attack (<100%): Bowser
ledge get up attack (>100%): Zelda

dash: Captain Falcon
walk: Marth
falling speed: Fox
full jump: Falco
second jump: Falco
short hop: Fox
aerial movement: Jigglypuff

 

[machinegungeek]

Why would you want your down-b to turn you into Sheik, if we're making a supposedly superior character? Down-B should really be a shine or rest (if the rest of the character is rest based). Oh, and Samus' towards B. Definitely. And Knee>foot. And just curious, why Link's nair over Fox's?

 

[Geist]

Mostly UKZ's list

jab: Sheik
ftilt: Sheik
dtilt: Roy
utilt: Marth
fsmash: Marth
dsmash: Peach
usmash: Fox
dash attack: Peach
grab: Marth
dash grab: Marth
nair: Link
fair: Zelda
bair: Jigglypuff
dair: Falco
uair: Marth
neutral b: Falco
forward b: Captain Falcon
down b: Falco
up b: Mewtwo
fthrow: Peach
dthrow: Sheik
uthrow: Marth
bthrow: Sheik
get up attack (face down): Sheik
get up attack (face up): Luigi
ledge get up attack (<100%): Bowser
ledge get up attack (>100%): Zelda

 

[mastermoo420]

Why would you want your down-b to turn you into Sheik, if we're making a supposedly superior character?

Sheik is a perfectly good character on her own so you basically have the choice of the "perfect character's" moveset or Sheik's moveset. And that's not all that bad if you think about it.

And Knee>foot.

I'm pretty sure the foot has more KB than the knee. I don't really know for sure, but I'm just speaking from what I've felt from experience. Zelda's toes are fine as long as you can space and time them correctly.

And just curious, why Link's nair over Fox's?

I just search'd and:
http://pubpages.unh.edu/~stp27/smash/linkguide.htm

The nair is Link's best move. It can combo, it can edge guard, it can KO, it can trade or straight up beat a lot of other moves, it comes out in four frames and it stays out until the last frame. Link's neutral air is the cornerstone of the Link in Melee. It's your bread and butter and it can beat people on its own.

Staying 'till the last frame is pretty nice.

 

[Stratocaster]

I call it
ALL ROADS LEAD TO KNEE

Falcon's body, jump, fallspeed, etc.

Falcon's knee

Sheik's jab
Kirby's utilt
Roy's dtilt
Sheik's ftilt
Sheik's usmash
Luigi's dsmash
G&W's fsmash (except the animation is a knee and the effect is electricity)
Peach's dash attack
Falcon's uair
Falcon's nair
Link's bair? (only thing that might combo to knee sometimes)
Falco's dair
Falco's shine (uhh this alone would make Falcon so broken)
Pikachu's up B
Falcon's side B
Either DK's B that looks like Falcon Punch, or Falco's B and Falcon finally pulls the gun off his hip.
Grab: Marth
Uthrow: Marth
Fthrow: DK?
Bthrow: Pikachu?
Dthrow: Sheik

No get-up attack because he never falls down
Ledge attack is just ledge hop knee automated

Suggestions?

 

[The Star King]

You guys are over-complicating stuff.

Fox's UThrow + Jump animation.
Falco's jumping vertical speed.
Puff's Rest.
GGS

 

[1048576]

hell, still too complicated.

Puff's everything.

 

[Oracle]

Jab: Mewtwo
F tilt: Zelda
D tilt: Bowser
U tilt: Ganon
F smash: Peach
D smash: Ness
U smash: Samus
nair: Zelda
uair: G&W
dair: Roy
fair: Falco
Bair: pichu
Grab: Zelda
B: Ness
Side B: Yoshi
Up B: Puff
Down B: Zelda

 

[mastermoo420]

Jab: Fox
F tilt: Fox
D tilt: Fox
U tilt: Fox
F smash: Fox
D smash: Fox
U smash: Fox
nair: Fox
uair: Fox
dair: Fox
fair: Fox
Bair: Fox
Grab: Fox
B: Fox
Side B: Fox
Up B: Fox
Down B: Fox

amidoinitrite?

 

[gm jack]

Nah. Need's sheiks fair&ftilt and peach's Dsmash then you're there.

 

[otg]

Jab: Mewtwo
F tilt: Zelda
D tilt: Bowser
U tilt: Ganon
F smash: Peach
D smash: Ness
U smash: Samus
nair: Zelda
uair: G&W
dair: Roy
fair: Falco
Bair: pichu
Grab: Zelda
B: Ness
Side B: Yoshi
Up B: Puff
Down B: Zelda

+1 respect for your avatar

 

[ryuu seika]

N Tilt: ?
F tilt: ?
D tilt: ?
U tilt: Mr.G&W?
F smash: ?
D smash: ?
U smash: ?
nair: ?
uair: ?
dair: Kirby
fair: No Way
Bair: Jigglypuff
Grab: Master Hand
Throw: Master Hand
Neutral B: Kirby
Side B: Mr.G&W
Up B: Dr.Mario?
Down B: Jigglypuff

Needs more thought but definitely has the best Grab, Throw and Fair.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

marth has the best fair followed by sheik.

 

[MalwareDie]

Jigglypuff's midair jumps
Peach's float
Jigglypuff's air speed
Falcon's dash
Falco's initial jump
Marth or Fox's walking speed
jab: Sheik
ftilt: Sheik
dtilt: Roy
utilt: Marth
fsmash: Marth
dsmash: Peach
usmash: Fox
dash attack: Peach
grab: Marth
dash grab: Marth
nair: Link
fair: Falcon
bair: Jigglypuff
dair: Falco
uair: Marth
neutral b: Falco
forward b: Jigglypuff
down b: Jigglypuff
up b: Mewtwo
fthrow: Peach
dthrow: Sheik
uthrow: Marth
bthrow: Jigglypuff

 

[ryuu seika]

Nobody likes Kirby even though his swallowcide is broken as hell?

 

[EPsilon933]

jab: Sheik
ftilt: Sheik
dtilt: Roy
util: Marth
fsmash: Marth
dsmash: Peach
usmash: Fox
dash attack: Peach
grab: Marth
dash grab: Marth
nair: Link
fair: Ganondorf
bair: Jigglypuff
dair: Falco
uair: Captain Falcon
neutral b: Falco
forward b: Captain Falcon
down b: Jigglypuff
up b: Bowser
fthrow: Peach
dthrow: Sheik
uthrow: Marth
bthrow: Jigglypuff
get up attack (face down): Sheik
get up attack (face up): Luigi
ledge get up attack (<100%): Bowser
ledge get up attack (>100%): Zelda

dash: Captain Falcon
walk: Marth
falling speed: Fox
full jump: Falco
second jump: Falco
short hop: Fox
aerial movement: Jigglypuff

Updated:
Ganondorf's fair isn't as spacing dependent as Zelda's
The perfect character doesn't need to recover if it ***** so hard it never falls off the stage, so having Bowser's up b out of shield will escape any shield pressure
Captain Falcon's uair covers so much area and comboes so well
Jigglypuff's down b is an insta kill. combine that with the above movement speeds and you've got inescapable death.

Jab: Mewtwo
F tilt: Zelda
D tilt: Bowser
U tilt: Ganon
F smash: Peach
D smash: Ness
U smash: Samus
nair: Zelda
uair: G&W
dair: Roy
fair: Falco
Bair: pichu
Grab: Zelda
B: Ness
Side B: Yoshi
Up B: Puff
Down B: Zelda

Zelda's nair is a good aerial move to use when opponents are too close to toe. It helps you escape bad situations.
Falco's fair can combo into stuff. Fox's might be worse.
Zelda's down b does nothing.

 

[Charlesz]

FOX

/thread plox

 

[Violence]

It's like making a deck for some competitive collectible card game. Awesome.

 

[nube]

Jab: Ganon
D-Tilt : G&W
Nair: Mewtwo
Bair: DK
Dair: Yoshi
U-Smash: Ness
Neutral B: Kirby
Down B: Samus
Grab Range: Marth
D-Throw: Bowser

The ultimate gimmick character. Needs no more moves.

 

[Rooktionary]

I'm sorry. The correct answer to this thread is Meta-Knight. You all lose.

 

[X1-12]

I'm sorry. The correct answer to this thread is Meta-Knight. You all lose.

No


You lose.

 

[Stratocaster]

I'm sorry. The correct answer to this thread is Meta-Knight. You all lose.

Metaknight is banned in melee.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

sheik jab
marth ftilt
marth dtilt
marth sheik utilt

falco fsmash
sheik dsmash
pika usmash

falcon fair
falcon bair
falcon uair
falco dair
falcon nair

falco neutralb
pika upb
pika sideb
falco downb

falcon's physics (weight, DI, fall speed, run speed, ect; falcon has the best physics in the game, period.)

 

[EPsilon933]

marth ftilt
sheik dsmash
pika sideb

Marths ftilt?
Not Peach dsmash?
you're not trolling us, right?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I designed the character with moves that worked better together rather than stand alone moves that are gay in-and-of themselves

 

[BigD!!!]

falcon with sheiks ftilt and dash attack

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

oh i forgot about dash attack. yeah definitely sheik's or maybe peach's (peach's is a little slower but more priority & less CC)

 

[MarioMariox2]

Jab: Falcon's Neutral B
F tilt: Falcon's Neutral B
D tilt: Falcon's Neutral B
U tilt: Falcon's Neutral B
F smash: Falcon's Neutral B
D smash: Falcon's Neutral B
U smash: Falcon's Neutral B
nair: Falcon's Fair
uair: Falcon's Fair
dair: Falcon's Fair
fair: Falcon's Fair
Bair: Falcon's Neutral B
Grab: Tether Recovery
B: Falcon's Neutral B
Side B: Falcon's Neutral B
Up B: Firefox
Down B: Falcon's Neutral B

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Guys, you're going about this the wrong way. Rather than just getting the best moves of every character, just give them Rest and make all of their moves link into it. Then give them the best stats (aerial speed, dash speed, weight, etc...)

 

[Pita]

Let's do this then!

Jab: Sheik
Forward Tilt: Sheik
Down Tilt: Marth
Up Tilt: Marth
Fsmash: Marth
Dsmash: Peach
Usmash: Fox
B: Falco
Down B: Fox
Up B: Sheik (for the tricks you can do with it)
Side B: Falcon
Fair: Sheik
Nair: Marth
Dair: Marth
Uair: Fox
Bair: Sheik
Grab Range: Marth
Dthrow: Sheik
Fthrow: Marth
Bthrow: Marth
Uthrow: Fox

Actually, scratch that. Sheik with DownB being Fox's shine. GG.

 

[pheX]

Jiggz down B.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Please make use of the invisible search feature.

 

[MooseEatsBear]

jab: Sheik
ftilt: Sheik
dtilt: Roy
utilt: Marth
fsmash: Marth
dsmash: Peach
usmash: Fox
dash attack: Peach
grab: Marth
dash grab: Marth
nair: Link
fair: Ganondorf
bair: Jigglypuff
dair: Falco
uair: Captain Falcon
neutral b: Falco
forward b: Captain Falcon
down b: Jigglypuff
up b: Bowser Pikachu
fthrow: Peach
dthrow: Sheik
uthrow: Marth
bthrow: Jigglypuff NESS (Why does everyone overlook Ness? No, please, tell me why, I'm not sure.)
get up attack (face down): Sheik
get up attack (face up): Luigi
ledge get up attack (<100%): Bowser
ledge get up attack (>100%): Zelda

dash: Captain Falcon
walk: Marth
falling speed: Fox
full jump: Falco
second jump: Falco
short hop: Fox
aerial movement: Jigglypuff

Also, give them Float Canceling, Luigi's traction, five jumps, and Falcon's height, can DJC each one, and there are two of them.
P.S, striked things are what I changed.

 

[EPsilon933]

Also, give them Float Canceling, Luigi's traction, five jumps, and Falcon's height, can DJC each one, and there are two of them.
P.S, striked things are what I changed.

Ness is negligible, so yeah, no one notices him. But I chose Jigglypuff's because it's so fast so it's more difficult to DI and it sends opponents are a very low angle. So good for gimps.