The reason you're losing.

[NeverKnowsBest]

If your not kneeing your opponent at least once every time you grab them, Your doing it wrong.

P.S. I'm doing it a little wrong.

But if you knee on the first grab your opponent can escape from the grab and you lose the damage you could have gotten from the throw. (this of course is if you weren't grab releasing.)

 

[zacharia zako]

hmm this is good this is good. i wouldnt say fire fox and fox illusion arent good sources of recovery and u should always use rising fairs. I'm guilty of that combo thing not working I fell for that alot thnking, this time ill get it! This time! No this time!

oh yah about the shine not being good......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkdqETyvI_I&fmt=18

the shine can be good edge guard play if u master it.

 

[Karttibone]

Oh hell!!! That's a good description of my playstyle. I will keep that in mind and train.

 

[Firestormzero0]

this really is an awesome guide.. :D gj

 

[Irsic]

I used Shine offensively yesterday (broke Marth's side b combo) then continued to techchase him (because it instantly knocked him to the floor) and followed up with an upsmash for the kill.

Though I'll admit to the shine being an accident (I don't know how, don't ask) and was pretty shocked as I had pretty much stopped using shine as an attack altogether. Regardless of this list, I think I'm going to reincorporate it as an offensive attack again. :D

 

[RPK]

Just wondering...Do you think this would work? Sh, shine, falling nair, jab, grab. All without getting shield grabbed...

 

[Zhamy]

Just wondering...Do you think this would work? Sh, shine, falling nair, jab, grab. All without getting shield grabbed...

It could, but don't count on it. Hitstun from Nair has a very narrow percentage from which you can safely "combo" into Jab->Grab (Which isn't always a true combo in the first place).

 

[Xpected2]

Needs more "You're doing it wrong."

Also - THE DRILL IS NOT THE ONLY MOVE FOX HAS. (Nair/Bair, guys, at least. Please.)

I'll take Bair! I find it quite deadly at higher percentages.

 

[soul ark]

people need to read this on top of all the other stuff thats on the first page this is why i bump

 

[MyCurse4Life]

wtf the ten commandments?

 

[Jenkins]

haha great guide i'll keep that Dair stuff in mind ^^

 

[Toronto Joe]

Just wondering...Do you think this would work? Sh, shine, falling nair, jab, grab. All without getting shield grabbed...

ive been doing shine to aerials for a while, your going to have to chase your oppt as sadly nothing combos out of shine,although ive done what you have said before, if you catch em off guard it should