The Top Ten Videos of Each Character

[~ Gheb ~]

Am I the only one pleased at the current irony of the fact that japan's conservative stagelist has enabled their metagame to develop beyound the American?

You're not.

Though I still think the most hilarious thing is that there are people who use the japanese ruleset as an example for an "uncompetitive" metagame.

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

Word hipster.

 

[Rubberbandman]

Yeah, that fight was entirely banana based, the ZS was clearly looking for openings to infinite as well.

This is where matchup ratios start to get tricky though. Do we account for those infinites now that we can see they are obviously usable? Despite it never being seen in the American metagame?

Diddy ends up becoming a very interesting character with this ability. For characters who cannot infinite Diddy back, it becomes an issue of how easily they can avoid his infinite, making Diddy basically a better ICs. And for characters who can infinite him back, the matchup becomes centered around that character's ability to get the nanners from Diddy, and the ease at which they can infinite Diddy.

umm, its not an infinite, its a lock. You can SDI to push yourself closer to the edge and escape.

 

[Sage JoWii]

So Kirby can nanerlock as well :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWB_7cRXNs8

-goes into practice status-

 

[_Kadaj_]

No you can't RBM...

You trip going towards a certain side based on the area you are hit on with the banana

 

[Nefarious B]

You can SDI it, but both of these locks push you one way and then the other so the SDI doesn't really do anything.

 

[DaomarIsBear]

Am I the only one pleased at the current irony of the fact that japan's conservative stagelist has enabled their metagame to develop beyound the American?

I just want this reposted 100 times over and over again.

 

[Exdeath]

Hmm Kaffei, I would really appreciate if someone could have a video of Marth doing it

I can send you a .bin+.gct file of me doing it with Marth if you're really interested (it isn't very difficult to perform). Just PM me if you're interested and I'll try to do it tonight during my normal practice session.

 

[Flayl]

About Japan's stagelist: There is no irony involved. A smaller stagelist means techniques that only work on flat surfaces are more plausible and therefore worth actually practicing.

It's a trade for developing less stage-specific techniques.

 

[Nefarious B]

Seeing as how infinites are usually considered degenerative, it's not really a positive development in their metagame. You guys are just hyped about this because it looks cool

 

[Spelt]

if people started consistently single naner locking in tournaments in america diddy would get camped harder than ice climbers.

 

[Nestec]

Seeing as how infinites are usually considered degenerative, it's not really a positive development in their metagame. You guys are just hyped about this because it looks cool

QFT x 10.
Or maybe, because it's a legit 0-death. Either way, it really shouldn't be looked at as "having an evolved metagame".

 

[demonictoonlink]

if people started consistently single naner locking in tournaments in america diddy would get camped harder than ice climbers.

But Diddy is an amazing camper and super hard to camp

 

[Spelt]

But Diddy is an amazing camper and super hard to camp

If you don't know how to use bananas.

 

[Tesh]

All trip animations except for like DK/Ivy/Jiggs/2 others or something are the same framewise. Even Pikachu has an average trip duration.

What I meant was a short distance trip. My reasoning here is that if your trip animation moves further than Diddy's airspeed can take him, he won't be able to lock you back and forth. ZSS trip animation looks ALOT shorter than most of the ones I have seen, but I'm wondering is this infinite more universal than I guessed?

Anyway, camping Diddy really hard clearly wouldn't be nearly as effective as camping ICs. ICs have that little grab range, poor traction that prevents shield grabbing most things and a way to permanently remove the thread of the infinite (killing nana). Diddy has a projectile that starts an infinite.

 

[Nefarious B]

The thing is though, that Diddy infinite (im not sure if there are others) is set up by a down throw only, which effectively gives it similar range to the IC infinites. While ZSS has enormous range because hers works out of a forward glide toss. So you have to take all that into account

 

[demonictoonlink]

If you don't know how to use bananas.

I swear to god. Stop trolling for one post. Just one.

 

[SlashTalon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8o7oTO4hr0

Great match, definitely both being a bit too fancy tho :D

 

[Throwback]

yeah that was great

 

[LanceStern]

Too fancy? No shame in doing your thang

 

[Tesh]

I laughed every time that metaknight tried to taunt through lasers, he only managed it once.

 

[Gadiel_VaStar]

Best Pit video nomination: Masashi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz_vNrJnIEU

 

[Sage JoWii]

Idk about best Pit. >_> I saw him come back from a deficit which in itself was pretty snazzy and I see that his Pit looks a bit more refined and technical but um....well....maybe he is since I can't think of any other Pits XD

 

[_Kadaj_]

You guys should have nominated Earth's Pit vs Ikki's Zss

 

[phi1ny3]

imo one of those videos could be used for showcasing Earth for sheik as well.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBCqnPfdtAM&feature=related

I'd say this one's a pretty good pick for Earth's Sheik.

 

[C.J.]

Why is there a baby there?

 

[Exdeath]

The thing is though, that Diddy infinite (im not sure if there are others) is set up by a down throw only, which effectively gives it similar range to the IC infinites. While ZSS has enormous range because hers works out of a forward glide toss. So you have to take all that into account

Except that ICs don't have a projectile that forces a tech chase or moves that lead into the infinite at Marth-range (Side-B, glide toss with a second banana, etc.). One consider this to be IC's Dowb-B, but that's very commonly SDIed by mid-level players and above (in my experience, anyway).

 

[phi1ny3]

Why is there a baby there?

I was about to comment on that lol

I guess the japanese are legit enough to play this game competitively and still be attractive to girls to get booty

 

[C.J.]

Or, someone brought their mom to watch them play and they happen to have a younger sibling...
*shrug

 

[phi1ny3]

Or, someone brought their mom to watch them play and they happen to have a younger sibling...
*shrug

/mega stereotype

 

[Nestec]

Why is there a baby there?

That was a Japanese woman.

 

[SlashTalon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBCqnPfdtAM&feature=related

I'd say this one's a pretty good pick for Earth's Sheik.

Are they playing on an HDTV?

 

[_Kadaj_]

For Pit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGSCVbEWr7M

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

WTF at Earth's (basically) OOS Dacus.

WOW.

Just wow.

(Ok Dacus out of shield drop lag)

 

[demonictoonlink]

I like the Sheik an Pit ones.

 

[da K.I.D.]

earth is soooooo much more fun to watch than masashi and seems to sacrifice very little (if any) effectiveness for it.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

earth is soooooo much more fun to watch than masashi and seems to sacrifice very little (if any) effectiveness for it.

He probably can just handle the ditto better. Masashi has beaten players that I just can't see Earth win against.

 

[GCommander]

I like this thread.

 

[B!squick]

I like this thread.

I concure and also wish to add absolutely nothing.