Tier List Speculation

[DMG]

Somebody should nerf this poster, 12/10 could not SDI

 

[NisforSmash]

I wouldn't say Mario is top 5. He's an easy to pick up all around solid character. The only reason I'd say he's popular at tourneys is because the other characters haven't been fully realized yet. That being said, new techniques may be discovered for Mario but down the road I'd see him being a solid pocket character next to ivy just because there isn't much more to be explored with him.

 

[Plum]

Whoa Strong Bad, when did you become legendary :o

 

[MLGF]

Boy not only did you validly prove how good Mario is with one tournament, but you also did it in such a humble fashion that I can't help but admire your opinion and respect you as a player.

 

[Paradoxium]

Ive always said mario was top 5, even when the popular belief was morons saying that mario had too many buffs and needed to be nerfed but was not a powerful character. Now shuffle 5 happened and was filled with mostly marios high in bracket, there was a mario or two in top 8 (above legendary players like strong bad i might add) and hbox even cpd mario when jiggs was busy being the worst character ever. And the funny thing is none of these marios are as good as i am, might as well crown me your emperor right now

Omg

for the love of god almighty...

STOP MAKING ALL OF THESE ****ING ACCOUNTS

 

[USUX_LEGEND]

I wouldn't say Mario is top 5. He's an easy to pick up all around solid character. The only reason I'd say he's popular at tourneys is because the other characters haven't been fully realized yet. That being said, new techniques may be discovered for Mario but down the road I'd see him being a solid pocket character next to ivy just because there isn't much more to be explored with him.

How can you say theres not much to be explored with him when every mario besides me cant punish properly? Mario players have a long way to go

 

[Empyrean]

Ive always said mario was top 5, even when the popular belief was morons saying that mario had too many buffs and needed to be nerfed but was not a powerful character. Now shuffle 5 happened and was filled with mostly marios high in bracket, there was a mario or two in top 8 (above legendary players like strong bad i might add) and hbox even cpd mario when jiggs was busy being the worst character ever. And the funny thing is none of these marios are as good as i am, might as well crown me your emperor right now

Isn't it high time you actually show us your Mario? How do you even expect us to take your word for it, man, with no evidence whatsoever to this day? I say go to the next regional and show us the light instead of making so many alt accounts.

Spoiler

 

[Aenglaan]

Dead serious that as of right now Mewtwo is the character I see with the most untapped potential, being able to act out of teleport is so good that I don't have a word for it.

Ya know, I can probably get behind this idea. Mewtwo, while not the best character in the game by a long shot, has so much potential with levitate and attacking out of teleport. Not to mention he has really good spacing tools like his wavedash, d-tilt, b-air, shadow ball, etc. Probably the reason I play as him so much, even if I'm far better at using Link.

On a side note, I feel like Mario is really going to fall on the tier list. I don't know if it's because I've gotten better at the game or something, but Mario's offensive tools don't feel as effective as they once were.

 

[Burnsy]

Mewtwo's tail is top tier, no question.

Tail Tier list:

S: Mewtwo
A: Yoshi
B: Charizard, Squirtle, Pikachu
C: Fox, Falco
D: Diddy Kong

I think that's pretty definitive.

I'd move Charizard up to S or A+, Pikachu to A

 

[USUX_LEGEND]

Isn't it high time you actually show us your Mario? How do you even expect us to take your word for it, man, with no evidence whatsoever to this day? I say go to the next regional and show us the light instead of making so many alt accounts.

Spoiler

Lol i manage to go to smashfests, but i cant fit a tournament into my schedule for a myriad of reasons. However Oracle will be my first victim, and since you all hold him in such a high regard itll prove everything i need it to when i beat him. However because i cant go to anything at my leisure im forced to fill the void with trashtalk and lurking smashboards. Also all the ip bans are doing is making my internet really slow, tell hylian to undo it and ill be off these forums until the day i finally beat oracle

 

[USUX_LEGEND]

Ya know, I can probably get behind this idea. Mewtwo, while not the best character in the game by a long shot, has so much potential with levitate and attacking out of teleport. Not to mention he has really good spacing tools like his wavedash, d-tilt, b-air, shadow ball, etc. Probably the reason I play as him so much, even if I'm far better at using Link.

On a side note, I feel like Mario is really going to fall on the tier list. I don't know if it's because I've gotten better at the game or something, but Mario's offensive tools don't feel as effective as they once were.

People say the same about marth. Just because they have a niche in killing scrubs doesnt mean they cant be taken to a high level if utilized well

 

[Soft Serve]

Have fun with that.

Maybe all his alts are chosen specifically to tell us something.

Papa Stone

T_e Enlightenment (i think?)

RaymyFurio

USUX_LEGEND

Oracle better watch out though. I think he might mean business this time.

 

[USUX_LEGEND]

Have fun with that.

Maybe all his alts are chosen specifically to tell us something.

Papa Stone

T_e Enlightenment (i think?)

RaymyFurio

USUX_LEGEND

Oracle better watch out though. I think he might mean business this time.

They are all imposters. I am the truth

 

[CyberZixx]

Person may be a troll but Mario is amazing in this game.

 

[Metazoa]

So I'm watching this Samus mirror going on at Xanadu right now and I can't help but wonder...
Exactly HOW important is the Super Wavedash to Samus' game? I'm watching them and it seems like they're going for that WAY too much. Like, why not just short-hop and throw missiles or something?
Also Olimar is pretty decent, but some players need to get onstream so we can see him in action.
(maybe i'll actually go to a tournament one of these days)

 

[DMG]

It's not vital to her metagame overall. Two main things hold it back. It takes a bit to start up, and she can't instantly react out of it. Combine those with the fact that she has to do a very specific action to set it up (bomb obv) and it's hard to see it as effective.

You can do some cool things with it though, and it leads to some interesting edgeguards. If you slide off the stage backwards after shielding, you fling offstage quite far. This lets you do super long aerials offstage, while still facing the correct way to recover and tether back to the stage. You could also slide off facing forwards and try stuff like Ice Fair.

There are some gimmicks as well, like Double SWD, but overall it's a minor addition to her gameplay. The new crawling mechanic is quite huge for her in some MU's, and more focus should be payed attention to that

 

[USUX_LEGEND]

Person may be a troll but Mario is amazing in this game.

Im a man of my word. If i lose to Oracle i wont come back. If i win there will be endless suffering and turmoil amongst the pm hierarchy, notably strong bad

 

[Terotrous]

I'd move Charizard's tail up to S or A+, Pikachu to A

Prove it in tournament bro!


I think Charizard's tail may be the most overrated tail in all of PM right now

 

[Paradoxium]

Im a man of my word. If i lose to Oracle i wont come back. If i win there will be endless suffering and turmoil amongst the pm hierarchy, notably strong bad

Oracle can you just beat this guy real quick, just to shut him up

 

[Soft Serve]

Like damn I'll just give oracle the gas money over paypal for him to make it to one of his smashfests just to get him to stop.

 

[Metazoa]

Bray Wyatt, I find it interesting that you're a Mario main. However, I think you're needed too much in WWE to attempt to enlighten us here in Smashboards.

 

[Ali Baba 177]

Prove it in tournament bro!


I think Charizard's tail may be the most overrated tail in all of PM right now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q7uaePHSa0
Just watch Yomi in tournaments, he is pretty good at spacing with that neatural air and good at Charizard in general.

 

[McD]

Mewtwo's tail is top tier, no question.
Tail Tier list:
S: Mewtwo
A: Yoshi
B: Charizard, Squirtle, Pikachu
C: Fox, Falco
D: Diddy Kong
I think that's pretty definitive.

I've been reading this thread for far to long, I never thought I would get a laugh out of it
Well done

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

... and over at SWJ2, we have JHaime taking games off of Neon's Lucas and Axe's Falco/Marth/Pikachu. One game off Lucas with Bowser, two with Captain Falcon. Beating Axe going all Bowser. Hmm.

Much low. Very tier.

 

[XXXX1000]

Now that we've seen one tournament result, is this where we say that ZSS Bowser is the top tier everyone slept on and the next Fox Lucas-killer or is this where we say that everyone below Oro JHaime didn't know the matchup and ZSS Bowser is still trash

 

[Nguz95]

All Lucas has to do is fish super hard for grabs and he has that MU in the bag. Tethers are not Bowser's friends.

 

[Slam!]

What characters are in the most desperate need of exploration at this point in time?

 

[MLGF]

All the Brawl characters and the Melee bottoms, IMO, are going to need a lot more exploration before we can properly confirm where they are in the meta.

 

[Terotrous]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q7uaePHSa0
Just watch Yomi in tournaments, he is pretty good at spacing with that neatural air and good at Charizard in general.

Good Charizard play, but still definitely no higher than A. Mewtwo's tail is clearly the best one.

 

[The_Altrox]

I think Olimar needs exploration. He's got a few good players using him (ex: Hungrybox) but since most people write him off as being boring and underwhelming, he's probably written off pretty quickly as a whole.

 

[DMG]

>Olimar
>Needs Exploring
>Explores your entire backyard and cleans up your filthy littering

 

[Fenrir VII]

>Olimar
>Needs Exploring
>Explores your entire backyard and cleans up your filthy littering

I'm still waiting for a Pikmin game where the final boss is a foot....

 

[Kaysick]

I'm still waiting for a Pikmin game where the final boss is a foot....

>Uses 30 Purple Pikmin to carry dead body

 

[Terotrous]

>Olimar
>Needs Exploring
>Explores your entire backyard and cleans up your filthy littering

It just occurred to me that Pikmin encourages littering. Without litter, Olimar would not have been able to secure vital technologies and would not have survived the second game.

And then you'd get a depressing journal entry about how the planet has been picked clean of treasures and Olimar is starving to death. Are you satisfied now Litter Patrol?!

 

[Oracle]

Anyone putting charizards tail in anything less than SSS+ Tier hasnt played my zard

 

[MrBigstuff]

No tail compares to Mewtwo. Float Cancelled bairs are the future, I tell you. One day a player is going to win a tournament using literally just the 150th pokemon's tail, jumps, wavedash, and teleport, maybe grab.

 

[Oracle]

They would lose to me because zards tail has more range and the fire is disjointed

 

[Deleted member]

why play a real character like charizard's tail when you can play fox's feet?

animals with diseases ftw

 

[Aenglaan]

All the Brawl characters and the Melee bottoms, IMO, are going to need a lot more exploration before we can properly confirm where they are in the meta.

Good point.

In particular, I think Yoshi is a character that deserves a lot of attention. Sure, his recovery still kind of blows, but he seems to have a lot of potential with his egg roll cancel and improved egg throw.

 

[DMG]

You listed two of the least hype things for Yoshi

The mother ****** can finally jump OOS now