Tier List Speculation

[Nguz95]

So uh, Ice Climbers. I like them. I think they're secretly really good. Guess we've got to get some tournament results for them though.

 

[guedes the brawler]

2.6 bananas when you were grounded had a crazy semi spike angle that straight up killed some characters (roy, falco)

2.6 bananas straight up killed roy

2.6 roy

 

[MLGF]

...well...
So yeah, Zelda is mad overrated BTW. You have to play her different, but anyone who outranges her makes her invalid.
I don't get the top 5 claim at all.

 

[Phan7om]

You can tell how swayed people are from watching regional matches on the big PM streams on that tier list.

Also am I the only one who thinks Fox isnt that much better than everyone? He might be the best, but i dont think he deserves his own tier bracket above everyone.

 

[Ali Baba 177]

Wasn't defensive, you weren't saying **** ( or rather were).

MK is better than mario? Fireballs do lead into things tho, and 8% is a ****load for a fireball, especially for how safe mario's are. Additionally mario has a decent amount of mixups to his approach, cape is something I feel players heavily underutilize (IT GOES THRU SHIELD WAAAAAAAAAAA)

But mario isn't the subject at hand. So again, let's assume MK>Mario, but is he still better than any of the other characters I, or you listed? My problem with placing MK top 5 is I still haven't seen a strong enough reason to put him above the characters listed.

You should go watch some Plup videos, he is pretty good.

You can tell how swayed people are from watching regional matches on the big PM streams on that tier list.

Also am I the only one who thinks Fox isnt that much better than everyone? He might be the best, but i dont think he deserves his own tier bracket above everyone.

That extra tier for Fox probably comes wrong. The community tier list brackets are organized by the characters rating nearness to the tier assigned. (1- 1.25 = A, 1.25 - 1.5 = A-, 1.5 - 1.75 = B+, 1.75 - 2.25 = B, 2.25 - 2.5 = B-, etc.) So he is just the only character that people rated closest to Top tier. He is also actually pretty close to lucas, they just fell in different categories.

I think it would be good to know what tournaments you use for your tier lists. Do you use locals, regional, nationals, or what?

I used as many tournaments as a I could fine solid character results from. I used smashboards rankings results, an archive thread, and then searched out some results on youtube for tournaments that didnt have the best of written records. So in the end I included (hopefully) every regional/national, and then a bunch of weeklies monthlies and randoms. These might create some problems as characters repeat at those tournaments and end up giving a lot of points you might say. However that is why I have a multiplying factor of size of tournament, and I think that smaller tournaments are important to be able to establish a more solid mid tier as there would probably be a trend of top tier characters at large tournaments alone.

 

[Jolteon]

MK is an incredible character.

 

[mimgrim]

If you are using weeklies/monthlies I at least hope you are weighting them a lot less then regional and nationals at least. As I don't really think weeklies/monthlies are a good thing to use.

 

[jtm94]

Yeah like a top at a monthly has way less weight to it.

MK is amazing though. I've seen people who barely play the game pick up Meta Knight and do well without any type of l-cancelling, they just attack as fast as possible and you can't punish him. This man also clanks with some aerials, which is ridiculous.

 

[Turazrok]

Transcendent priority, clanks.

Aerial clanking period, tho lol.

Ok thanks for your input.

 

[Nazo]

I'm pretty sure he's referring to MK's dash attack.

 

[Turazrok]

Also please note that I never said MK was bad, merely that he doesn't belong in top 5.

Because someone's gonna misread that for sure.

 

[Nguz95]

All this acid is melting my monitor.

 

[jtm94]

I was just referring to some of his grounded attacks clanking with aerials. Like MK's upsmash has clanked with Falco's dair and cancelled the dair but upsmash continued. It's happened to me more than once, but I haven't tried in a while, 't was still 3.0 though.

 

[Turazrok]

He has transcendent priority what about that is unclear?

 

[1FD]

I was just referring to some of his grounded attacks clanking with aerials. Like MK's upsmash has clanked with Falco's dair and cancelled the dair but upsmash continued. It's happened to me more than once, but I haven't tried in a while, 't was still 3.0 though.

That must look WHACK
Do you mean it stops the animation of Falcos Dair WHICH WOULD LOOK WHACK or that the hitboxes collide and Falco just goes through you with a Dair that doesn't hit you?
THAT'S WHACK
And also a pretty cool trait to have unique to the character in smash or whatever

For all that WHO IS TOP 5 talk I'm still thinking Sonic and Yoshi and others are just as big of candidates and Fox and Falco lol

 

[Phan7om]

Also please note that I never said MK was bad, merely that he doesn't belong in top 5.

Because someone's gonna misread that for sure.

You didnt get the memo? If a character isnt placed in Top 5, we automatically assume you mean hes the worst character lmao.

 

[woundedust]

why not give ganon the light ball from OOT for his neutral b? and jab can reflect it if it is hit back at him.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

He has transcendent priority

HE HAS THE POWER TO KILL A GOD

 

[steelguttey]

why does everyone think oli is so bad ;-;

 

[trash?]

on MK: all the things that are supposed to be drawbacks don't need to be drawbacks if you're good enough. can't clank projectiles? who cares, you're fast enough to maneuver around anything, and you have a dair that makes you fall faster than basically anyone else in the game. have problems with CC? good thing you have a grab tech chase game so godly that by the time it stops working, you've done enough damage to use every other great option you have without much fear.

he's good, is what I'm saying. you should play him

 

[Cassio]

Time to main mewtwo.

 

[Empyrean]

Amputate his tail.

That should calm people down, at little cost.

 

[Ali Baba 177]

Amputate his tail.

That should calm people down, at little cost.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mewtwo-needs-you

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

You can bet people will be demanding Mewtwo nerfs right around now. MLG chat's already freaking out about how a 'total unknown' beat the best players in the world with Mewtwo.

 

[Bryonato]

the power of flowered purples tho
http://www.twitch.tv/bryonato/b/533583984?t=3h35m43s

 

[woundedust]

You think mewtwo is bad? All charizard has to do is nair and he covers EVERY option any character has

 

[MrTea]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mewtwo-needs-you

the sympathy pains are real

 

[kevinw0w]

You think mewtwo is bad? All charizard has to do is nair and he covers EVERY option any character has

Are you saying that charizard needs to be nerfed more than mewtwo does?

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

It'd be interesting to see what characters have placed first in tournament so far in 3.0's release... I'd say the only credentials you would need is number of entrants, since there are plenty of locals across the world that has lots of players and lots of talent.

 

[steelguttey]

the power of flowered purples tho
http://www.twitch.tv/bryonato/b/533583984?t=3h35m43s

usmash is so good that if they buff olimars dacus and fix his tether he would go up like 3 tiers ezpz

 

[B.W.]

His tether isn't broken it's weird.

If anything needs to be fixed about Olimar, it's that Pikmin need to respond faster when you're trying to call them back, and they need to respond better because sometimes when they're off the stage they just don't care that they're being called and they fall and die.

 

[Hashtag]

When the pikmin flower, and you get hit by them, at the rate he can throw out some attacks it makes you wish the knock back and damage from them was nerfed lol. It's really wierd.

There is rumors that he is getting buffed. He certainly doesn't need buffs in the K.O. department.

His grab is wierd though. It's like stand dodging it is the worst think you could do.

Scary thing is, people don't think he is a good character.

 

[trash?]

olimar is too heavily based on RNG. brawl olimar had consistency because it wasn't a far-fetched idea to sit back until you get the pikmin setup you want, but you really can't get away with that in PM

consistency by eliminating randomness in character mechanics is only a good thing tbh

 

[B.W.]

If he gets buffed, it's probably just going to be in some of his mechanics. Eliminating RNG would be a godsend, and would convince more people that Olimar is strong, even if nothing else about him was fixed up.

 

[Turazrok]

on MK: all the things that are supposed to be drawbacks don't need to be drawbacks if you're good enough. can't clank projectiles? who cares, you're fast enough to maneuver around anything, and you have a dair that makes you fall faster than basically anyone else in the game. have problems with CC? good thing you have a grab tech chase game so godly that by the time it stops working, you've done enough damage to use every other great option you have without much fear.

he's good, is what I'm saying. you should play him

So play the matchup better than the opponent and you win?
Damn dude broke as ****. Top 5 ez

 

[trash?]

you are... not the brightest person, I see. my point was simply that many of his positives can easily counter his biggest negatives with little issue, that's not exactly a complex concept

 

[Radical Larry]

Let me add that it can also happen to any character, whether it be Link, Falco, Mario, etc.
Of course, if the character's negatives counter the positives, then you have a problem.

 

[Fortress]

So play the matchup better than the opponent and you win?

That's... that's usually how it goes. You play better, you win.

I don't even.

 

[GP&B]

No, you don't understand. There's characters like Ganon that are designed so that when you play better, you just lose anyways.

 

[Turazrok]

you are... not the brightest person, I see. my point was simply that many of his positives can easily counter his biggest negatives with little issue, that's not exactly a complex concept

Let me add that it can also happen to any character, whether it be Link, Falco, Mario, etc.

^ is what I was saying. In addition, your post completely neglects how the opponent adapts. Feel free to continue flaming though, whatever floats your boat.

That's... that's usually how it goes. You play better, you win.

I don't even.

See above. I do understand sarcasm is hard to get in text form.