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[Kaffei]

No, u musn't fast fall. Fair is actually easier to autocancel than nair. Maybe ur not used to it. >_>

Oh.. No wonder, lol. I was always FFing, or doing SHFair~>AC.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Oh I see.

 

[Kaffei]

1 question.. This might be a bad comparison, but whatever:

In Melee you could approach more easily as YL with Nairs and stuff, but how come in Brawl you have to pressure more to get inside your opponent? Or maybe that's just me. @_@

 

[TLMSheikant]

Shieldstun is almost non existent in brawl. Thats why.

 

[Kaffei]

Shieldstun is almost non existent in brawl. Thats why.

What is shieldstun? -noob-

 

[TLMSheikant]

Shieldstun is the amount of frames u cant do anything and are trapped in your shield after getting hit by an attack. In melee, there was a lot of shieldstun making it harder to counter Out of shield.

 

[Kaffei]

Shieldstun is the amount of frames u cant do anything and are trapped in your shield after getting hit by an attack. In melee, there was a lot of shieldstun making it harder to counter Out of shield.

I miss melee.

 

[LaIotun]

I miss melee.

Don't we all?

 

[TLMSheikant]

I dont miss melee lol. I still play it ^_^. PR's melee scene is alive and well still.

 

[A~Kid/ToonethLinkage]

Hey Sheikant I think that the other two people we should rediscuss should be Sheik and Mario. I have trouble with both these mofos.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Nope, we'll rediscuss SNAKE!!! cause I cant stand that gay char. And perhaps Sheik IDK.

 

[DtJ SmithZzz]

naw mang lets discuss marth.

 

[WindMajor]

Nope, we'll rediscuss SNAKE!!! cause I cant stand that gay char. And perhaps Sheik IDK.

The snake matchup hasn't changed at all.

 

[dre_89_]

Hey I'm considering becoming a TL main, and I was wondering what the best controller configuration is (for GC controller). At the moment because I'm a PT main I've got R set to jump for Squirtle's ATs and X/Y set to grab, with TJ off. I'm particularly curious about whether I should have TJ on or off for TL.

Btw In terms of KOs, what are the finishers you should be trying to land? I know what the finishers are, but many like f and dsmash aren't usually that viable, so are uair, fair and usmash the most potent ones?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Kaffei]

Hey I'm considering becoming a TL main, and I was wondering what the best controller configuration is (for GC controller). At the moment because I'm a PT main I've got R set to jump for Squirtle's ATs and X/Y set to grab, with TJ off. I'm particularly curious about whether I should have TJ on or off for TL.

Btw In terms of KOs, what are the finishers you should be trying to land? I know what the finishers are, but many like f and dsmash aren't usually that viable, so are uair, fair and usmash the most potent ones?

Thanks in advance.

It's really personal preference. I have Tap Jump turned on.
Your kill moves are U-Smash, U-Tilt, U-Air, F-Smash, F-Air.
U-Smash is probably the most reliable out of that list.
D-Smash CAN be used to kill, but your opponent needs to be at a really high %.


Also, has anyone won consistently against a person with TL, and they say they lost because of projectile spam (johns) or is that just me?

 

[dre_89_]

If you're new to TL which Ats should be leart first- in other words, the important ones you'll use in every match.

And also, what are the best options out of a grab- which throw should we be using and does he have any grab relase mindgames etc.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Lobos]

Arrow cancels are a must learn for beginners.

The best grab imo is the dthrow since you can follow up with an aerial most of the time.

 

[WindMajor]

Hey I'm considering becoming a TL main, and I was wondering what the best controller configuration is (for GC controller). At the moment because I'm a PT main I've got R set to jump for Squirtle's ATs and X/Y set to grab, with TJ off. I'm particularly curious about whether I should have TJ on or off for TL.

Btw In terms of KOs, what are the finishers you should be trying to land? I know what the finishers are, but many like f and dsmash aren't usually that viable, so are uair, fair and usmash the most potent ones?

Thanks in advance.

I use a GC controller with TJ off, R set to jump like you, and Y set to grab. It's good to have R set to jump, because it's a lot easier to SHDA (Short Hop Double Arrow) with it. There is nothing special that you can do with Tap Jump, so I recommend you keep it off if you want. So yeah, your current control scheme is perfectly fine.

Also, all our aerials (unstale) can kill. Our Usmash is a kill move as well, which works well after a Zair. Fsmash kills, but Toon Links NEVER use Fsmash. Dsmash kills, and so does Utilt.

I would say the best kill moves that suit me are fair, bair, uair, and utilt.

Have fun.

EDIT:

If you're new to TL which Ats should be leart first- in other words, the important ones you'll use in every match.

And also, what are the best options out of a grab- which throw should we be using and does he have any grab relase mindgames etc.

Thanks in advance.

Quickdraw. Quickdraw is the most basic and most important TL tech. If we shorthop, we can fair, bair, nair, arrow, bomb pull, and bomb throw, then quickdraw. The quickdraw can also be pivoted with good timing. Experiment with this.

We have a lot of bomb techs that are pretty important, like JC throws and iBombs (InvinciBombing).

As for grabs, DThrow is the best, since you can uair or bair the opponent afterwards. I like to use Bthrow, but that's just me.

 

[Kaffei]

If you're new to TL which Ats should be leart first- in other words, the important ones you'll use in every match.

And also, what are the best options out of a grab- which throw should we be using and does he have any grab relase mindgames etc.

Thanks in advance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIi-2k_KkPE
Arrow Possibilities, by Hyrulian Royalty.

 

[dre_89_]

Thanks, also I'm having trouble shorthopping, with PT I used to able to pull out an aerial straight away so it didn't really make a difference but with TL it's more noticable. Is there some kind of trick to it that I'm not getting. As I said before, I use R to jump maybe that makes it harder.

 

[Kaffei]

Thanks, also I'm having trouble shorthopping, with PT I used to able to pull out an aerial straight away so it didn't really make a difference but with TL it's more noticable. Is there some kind of trick to it that I'm not getting. As I said before, I use R to jump maybe that makes it harder.

Well I use X to jump.. Idk lol. Just practice SHing.

 

[WindMajor]

What are you doing? Are you just trying to do any aerial out of a SH? I jump with X, and I really don't notice anything wrong. Are you talking about some sort of split second difference, or is there a noticeable gap between jumping and doing your aerial? If it's only a split second, then don't worry about it. However, if it's a noticeable gap, then try jumping with X or Y, and rolling your thumb to the A. I use R to jump when I SHDA, and I think that's a better method of jumping, since you have 2 fingers at use, instead of one.

Just keep on trying. Watch some videos for inspiration. TL is really fun.

 

[Dalub]

Also, has anyone won consistently against a person with TL, and they say they lost because of projectile spam (johns) or is that just me?

It always happens to me, they say its a gay way to play so it's not fair, they say that i need to play fair, like a man, lol noobs.
I LOVE to annoy them with Quickdraw =), i love to hear their johns because its funny (=.
So yes, i think that happens to every TL main ^^

 

[dre_89_]

Twink what I mean is when I used Squirtle I'd be able to jump and then fair someone on the ground and then possibly wall them, but with TL if I jump and try use zair straight away he does it too high and it'd only hit a an opponent in the air, in other words I can't hit grounded oppnents with aerials.

So Twink do you use both X/Y and R to jump?

 

[Kaffei]

It always happens to me, they say its a gay way to play so it's not fair, they say that i need to play fair, like a man, lol noobs.
I LOVE to annoy them with Quickdraw =), i love to hear their johns because its funny (=.
So yes, i think that happens to every TL main ^^

Lol, when someone first sees Quick Draw their reaction always amuses me.

 

[WindMajor]

Twink what I mean is when I used Squirtle I'd be able to jump and then fair someone on the ground and then possibly wall them, but with TL if I jump and try use zair straight away he does it too high and it'd only hit a an opponent in the air, in other words I can't hit grounded oppnents with aerials.

So Twink do you use both X/Y and R to jump?

Oh that.....

Well I use X to jump primarily. I use R to SHDA.

And also, you're not supposed to Zair right out of a short hop. It hits too high, so you might only be able to hit taller characters like Snake or DDD. The glory of the Zair is the fact that it auto cancels perfectly, which means it is best to use it upon landing. In other words, you short hop, and at the peak of your jump, you AIR DODGE, and Zair.

You air dodge so your Zair won't buffer into an air dodge. Do you get me?

 

[Kaffei]

Oh that.....

Well I use X to jump primarily. I use R to SHDA.

And also, you're not supposed to Zair right out of a short hop. It hits too high, so you might only be able to hit taller characters like Snake or DDD. The glory of the Zair is the fact that it auto cancels perfectly, which means it is best to use it upon landing. In other words, you short hop, and at the peak of your jump, you AIR DODGE, and Zair.

You air dodge so your Zair won't buffer into an air dodge. Do you get me?

But the thing is, ADing into a Z-Air every single time is so predictable.. A friend of mine just sees me air dogdge, and he reads me like a book.
I think sometimes not ADing isn't too bad.. Thoughts?

 

[dre_89_]

Yeah I sorta get you, I'm glad you told me you can't zair immediately out of a SH because that's what I was tryna do.

So if you're always meant to airdodge when you zair, then I don't really need to have the grab button in a convenient place, because I can just press A to zair out of an airdogde.

By the way incase you didn't know (you probably do but anyway) there was recently a national tournmanet in Australia which was won by a TL, and he dominated it apparently.

 

[WindMajor]

But the thing is, ADing into a Z-Air every single time is so predictable.. A friend of mine just sees me air dogdge, and he reads me like a book.
I think sometimes not ADing isn't too bad.. Thoughts?

Don't spam it, and Zair RIGHT after the air dodge. You're only supposed to air dodge long enough so that the Zair won't buffer into an air dodge. Mix it up a little. Don't always move forward when you Zair so you can follow up. Just poke, and move backwards. Or better yet, don't Zair. Do something completely different. Mindgames!

 

[Kaffei]

Don't spam it, and Zair RIGHT after the air dodge. You're only supposed to air dodge long enough so that the Zair won't buffer into an air dodge. Mix it up a little. Don't always move forward when you Zair so you can follow up. Just poke, and move backwards. Or better yet, don't Zair. Do something completely different. Mindgames!

Haha, definitely!
Mann... TL is such a fun char to play.

@dre89: Are you by any chance that dude who played Maple Story? And about that aussy tourney. What's the name?

 

[dre_89_]

Na I didn't play Maple Story. The guy's name is Consecreate (I think his real name was Sam), the tournament was called Rocky's.

 

[Kaffei]

Na I didn't play Maple Story. The guy's name is Consecreate (I think his real name was Sam), the tournament was called Rocky's.

Are you sure you don't mean Corpsecreate?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHtHcjKNWXo

 

[dre_89_]

Yeah sorry that's what I meant, how does he compare to the TL's in America? I know Brawl down under isn't as good as in the states so I'm curious to know how he compares.

 

[Kaffei]

Yeah sorry that's what I meant, how does he compare to the TL's in America? I know Brawl down under isn't as good as in the states so I'm curious to know how he compares.

Well the top TLs are Chip and Jash, so.
I say he's pretty good.

Here it is! http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=60129

 

[Dalub]

Don't spam it, and Zair RIGHT after the air dodge. You're only supposed to air dodge long enough so that the Zair won't buffer into an air dodge. Mix it up a little. Don't always move forward when you Zair so you can follow up. Just poke, and move backwards. Or better yet, don't Zair. Do something completely different. Mindgames!

Actually ADing before doing the Zair is only useful if you are holding a bomb, i don't see why we have to AD before the Zair if we are not holding a bomb, am i right?

 

[❀W.E.M.P.❀]

holy ****, i dont remember there being this many toon link mains. I feel out of the loop

also sasuke bowser is a poop face, and stole my style

...



((just kidding sasuke, i love you <333 )


also, despite popular belief, diamonds, infact, do not equal clubs.

 

[LaIotun]

Also, has anyone won consistently against a person with TL, and they say they lost because of projectile spam (johns) or is that just me?

I'm sure every character that "spams" projectile that hears this =/

 

[Kaffei]

I'm sure every character that "spams" projectile that hears this =/

lolarrows.

 

[TLMSheikant]

I dont hear it anymore. I used to though.

 

[Kaffei]

By the way, what is the difference between YL's bombs and TL's bombs? I know TL's bombs have a bigger blast radius but apparently YL's bombs "combo" or something. I don't really get it.