boss8
Smash Hero
THIS ACTUALLY HELPS ALOT!!!
thanks magus.....
now i noe WHAT to do and what not to do....
thanks magus.....
now i noe WHAT to do and what not to do....
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Unblockable Jab follow-ups & Frame Data [COMPLETE!]
- Thread starter Magus420
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pastaboy
Smash Champion
i HATE JABS
E tier my ***
E tier my ***
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
looks like boss has moar jab mindgames after reading this... i noeszz
boss8
Smash Hero
no this will help me **** 10 times more....lol
number1ricky
Smash Cadet
Incredible info. Thanks a lot. REALLY!
chic
Smash Ace
jabs are easy... it's actually getting in range to do it which is pretty hard for me. what is the best way you guys set up your jabs? i usually just wait for an opening after a missed smash or i just buffer jabs after a SH aerial
elheber
Smash Lord
Best way to set up a Jab? IMHO it's an AD Buffer, but you all knew I was going to say that.
Magus420
Smash Master
The boost from the turn around animation combined with a sliding landing from the air and then into the jab after a step or 2 covers a lot of ground quickly.
Noraa
Smash Lord
i need a video to see the jab lengths and how they exactly connect with the follow up because im a little confused
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
k bumped again cuz boss uses this jab like a madman. why? because last night's tourney made me saw how incredible jab1 yet again how **** it is espically when boss uses it like omg lol.
I want vids.
boss8
Smash Hero
yea this info actually helped me get 1st XD
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
lol it's funny boss, because according to the chart (if im reading this correctly), olimar can't block anything jab1 or after, so dabuz couldnt block jab upb, and/or you could have pulled some other crazy mindgame **** after jab1 (jab > tornado) but either way.. he couldnt stand a chance lawls.
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
its not even funny how ridiculous that jab->up b combo is....killed 4 times by it i believe
boss8
Smash Hero
i didnt make the game i just play it =/
Magus420
Smash Master
You can literally kill Olimar by landing 3 jabs, lol.
ADHD
Smash Hero
Boss i'm going to jab to up b you *******! yeah that's right, it works with diddy kong too!
I don't even understand how this never got stickied.
Boss jabs almost as much as I jump with Wario.
Boss jabs almost as much as I jump with Wario.
boss8
Smash Hero
warios frames comeout to fast.....womp womp...
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
but luigis jab is like frame 2 and warios jump is...? (insert a number probably slower than luigis jab XD) but warios just jump everywhere they feel like aha xD.
doesnt really need a sticky, unless the board says it i guess. dont really see why since it's in the table of contents stickied and i think we have too many stickies already lol
doesnt really need a sticky, unless the board says it i guess. dont really see why since it's in the table of contents stickied and i think we have too many stickies already lol
Mr.Pickle
Smash Lord
Wow this is amazing! I'm going to study this so I can get my Luigi into shape for my next tournament. Its definitely going to help me out.
hdrevolution123
Smash Ace
I know this thread was written a while ago but it is just amazing! Very insightful, comprehensive and clear data which was fully explained! Thank you very much. This knowledge will really help my game. Perhaps something to keep on one's Kindle? lol
AGuyNamedRaf
Smash Journeyman
I don't want to study this, but I want to get better. Irony much?
Vecayse
Smash Apprentice
This thread was amazing... Stuff I would never have thought of... Using this could really help my Luigi game.
iDeo
Smash Journeyman
Interesting thread but I'm havin' trouble reading the data.
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
Which part are you having trouble with?
Fino
Smash Master
Okay, so I'm sitting here with a frame freezing hack and I don't see the advantage of doing a jab cancel shoryuken over just a jab to shoryuken. Either way it comes out on the same frame, but maybe I'm doing it wrong. Just jab, tap down, and upB correct? I've tried about every combination of frames of tapping down and upB... the result still ends up coming out on the same frame as a plain jab-shoryuken.
Can I get some help?
~Fino
Can I get some help?
~Fino
A2ZOMG
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Doing the Jab crouch cancel into Up-B as I understand actually takes a frame longer to initiate than just mashing Up-B after a Jab. I'm pretty sure it was stated it takes 1 frame to do a Jab crouch cancel.
Jab crouch cancel is mainly good for doing repeated Jab cancels.
Jab crouch cancel is mainly good for doing repeated Jab cancels.
Fino
Smash Master
Oh cool, well that resolves an argument I had with crash earlier thanks. Olimar can 100% whistle the jab shoryuken... very interesting
~Fino
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
So is jab to shoryuken not guaranteed on Olimar then?
Fino
Smash Master
It's still guaranteed, but it's not guaranteed to kill.
~Fino
LuigiKing
Smash Lord
I am 100% sure that there is no way for olimar to get out of jab -> upB. If Luigi isn't spaced right you might not sweetspot it, but its going to connect no matter what olimar does. I don't know what the frame data says, this is just from experience.
After all this time, I'm still not sure if I'm doing jab followups right. I've always simply jab1 -> well timed Dsmash or Grab... are you supposed to crouch somewhere in between?
A2zomg said that crouching made upb come out 1 frame slower... is this true for A moves and grabs too?
The way I see it right now, crouch cancelling is only good for jab1 -> jab1 combos
edit: wrong account --- delvro
A2zomg said that crouching made upb come out 1 frame slower... is this true for A moves and grabs too?
The way I see it right now, crouch cancelling is only good for jab1 -> jab1 combos
edit: wrong account --- delvro
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The Jab crouch cancel takes a frame to do, but you only need to do it for repeated Jab cancels due to the way the Jab's IASA frames work.
Magus420
Smash Master
Jab 1 -> Up-B should be getting PSed by Snake consistently because it doesn't work on him. It's +5. Jab 1+2 is also +5 on him, so the up-b is blockable there as well, plus it's more likely that they may airdodge attempting to shield if you do both jabs so other faster stuff like d-smash wouldn't work either if they do. It's also much easier to jump out since jab 2 has less stun and they go higher off the ground.
If I'm bored one day maybe I'll check the rest of the characters with both jabs. It's better than I expected.
If I'm bored one day maybe I'll check the rest of the characters with both jabs. It's better than I expected.
Magus you have AIM? I want to discuss some Luigi stuff with you.
Magus420
Smash Master
It's OoMagus420oO but I rarely go on. The last time I played Brawl was November I think. I could probably count the number of times playing the game total since its release on my fingers and toes, so there's probably not much input I could give anyway, lol.
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
^ omg inui said you were alive, and he was right!
=D
=D
exdia_16
Smash Journeyman
i hav a jab setup but its mind games mostly i jab>jab>fsmash upwards it works for me but i know when to use some others tried and failed badly but boss pulled it off first try you guys should look into it.