Sharky
Smash Master
^he so mad
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Upstate New York Tournament Thread
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da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
SnowMan
Smash Journeyman
Sharky
Smash Master
RTF
Smash Lord
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
you sir are an *** hat.
snowman may not be a top competitor, but he doesn't think he's top **** either. like most players in this region, snowman is an average player. he keeps improving or trying which is really what counts. you can really tell when people put a lot of effort into playing, and at least if you tell someone they're bad, you have to tell them to keep trying and get better (i'm not calling you bad, snowman). but the amount of hate that goes on in this PR thread is amazing. it's why i hardly ever post here. people just start to do stupid **** here.
Spamus43
Smash Journeyman
Snowman, the phrase "honorable mention" has some pretty well-defined connotations. Its the people who didn't make the PR but who were close enough to be paid the honor of being mentioned. What you're describing, as far as putting everyone in the region on there, is not in fact an honorable mention list. Its just a list. If you want to add your name to "the list of players in the region who play melee and really really wanna get better" then I'm all for that. Its a legitimate list to make, it might even be a useful list to make, and I don't think anyone would argue you don't belong on there. But you can't arbitrarily change what "honorable mention" is going to mean.
Also, Dudu in the last 3 pages has spoken nothing but truth. Keep giving me interesting things to read, kthxbye.
Also, Dudu in the last 3 pages has spoken nothing but truth. Keep giving me interesting things to read, kthxbye.
Sharky
Smash Master
oh my goodness dudu going sooo hard right now lmao
he's callin you bad
just sayin'
On another note: if you want a name for yourself you're gonna have to earn in and not demand it. (im not necessarily callin you out on this, snowman) lol im kidding. I'm callin you out
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
AND HE GOT THAT PUNISHER AVATAR!
HES GOIN IN FOR BLOOD, LETS GET IT
Im loving tsai so much right now.
HES GOIN IN FOR BLOOD, LETS GET IT
Im loving tsai so much right now.
nice avatar bro
JesiahTEG
Smash Master
I kind of like it when Tsai posts this stuff. Not that I like seeing people's feeling hurts, but it's interesting to have someone in the community keep it real like this.
I think a lot of it is also the brain you were born with.
When I look at the people I play smash with. and I look at the people that excel, I see people like jesse, our friend PJ that went to HS with him refered to him as a genious once. I see neil, who, dispite his laziness and douchebaggery, is incredibly intelligent. I see san who is an engineering major at a nationally acclaimed college. And even if nobody besides tsai will admit it, I know Im definitely smart outside the game and its translated to in game as well.
Some people just have limits to how good they can be in the game sometimes. [/QUOTE]
Two things Kyle. First off, I disagree highly with how people have limits to how good they can be in the game sometimes. I've thought about it a lot, and I'm actually planning on writing on it soon haha.
Second of all, are you saying PJ called me a genius once? Because I can't picture him saying that for some reason but I'm really curious as to if he said that
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
He did. It was a while back when I was randomly talking to him on aim, I think I was trying to talk him into coming to a tourney. And the conversation came onto you, and yea, he said hes known that about you since high school.
Also, to illustrate my other point.
I hope he doesnt see this cus I dont want to be a ****. But do you think somebody like Acton, with all youve seen of him thus far, could ever be as good at brawl as san?
alternatively, if you turned into mana and stopped practicing and never got any better than what you are now, do you even think its possible for amber to get past that level?
Not trying to diss or say anybody is stupid, but some people just seem to have predetermined mental and physical limits. Thats why ill never be truly great at melee because my physical mental connection isnt strong enough that ill never be able to have the tech skill to properly play any of the characters in the game that are better than doc and ganon. And why Silent wolf wont ever hit that top level because no matter how fast his hands can move, mentally, he just cant keep up with the m2ks and armadas of the world.
Also, to illustrate my other point.
I hope he doesnt see this cus I dont want to be a ****. But do you think somebody like Acton, with all youve seen of him thus far, could ever be as good at brawl as san?
alternatively, if you turned into mana and stopped practicing and never got any better than what you are now, do you even think its possible for amber to get past that level?
Not trying to diss or say anybody is stupid, but some people just seem to have predetermined mental and physical limits. Thats why ill never be truly great at melee because my physical mental connection isnt strong enough that ill never be able to have the tech skill to properly play any of the characters in the game that are better than doc and ganon. And why Silent wolf wont ever hit that top level because no matter how fast his hands can move, mentally, he just cant keep up with the m2ks and armadas of the world.
dudutsai
Smash Lord
I kinda disagree with that. Some take longer to realize than others, but I do think everyone can become good level eventually. I played Silent Wolf at APEX, and he was a lot more impressive than I expected. Later on, I was told that he has stepped his game up.
True, many people never get to a certain level, but I think that's only due to lack of trying, or that they are going about it the wrong way.
True, many people never get to a certain level, but I think that's only due to lack of trying, or that they are going about it the wrong way.
JesiahTEG
Smash Master
The mental and physical skill required to become the best in the world at Melee is something that anyone can achieve. Some people not only are naturally better at those qualities than others, but some people ALSO develop those skills faster while playing and practicing. It's all mentality. For example.
For a really good player, figuring a way around Sheik's Ftilt will take maybe an hour or two of concentrated thought, testing and practice. Dash dance near it, bait it, run in and grab it, and a few other ways maybe.
Someone whose mind isn't necessarily developed/geared towards competition, thinking of strategy, and maybe a mind that lacks expertise in the creative process in general...They can still develop those strategies on their own. The only difference is, it might take them 6-10 hours instead. That's pretty extreme actually, it will probably take them less time than that, but you get my example. Some people have to work harder for it.
I just talked to Amsah actually and asked him for some advice on reading people and controlling people and using information I've gathered against them. (It was actually a much more complicated question than that, but that was the general idea) He gave me some indirect advice, but when I asked him about it he said, "I don't know, reading my opponent always came naturally to me so I can't give you much advice on that."
Getting to the level of reading people that I can do now took me so much time and hard work, and now I'm trying to take it to the next level, and it's just not something that's coming naturally. Sucks for me, Amsah could just do it from the beginning. Now for me to get to his level (Which I definitely will) I have to work much harder. The process goes like this:
1. Pre-Identify as many situations as I can see in Melee
2. Pre-Identify vs. the character that my opponent plays every option he has
3. In game, focus on those situations when they come up, and figure out actions I can execute that will generate a reaction from my opponent. If I've done my work properly, the reaction(s) that I get will match up with an option that I've identified in step #2
4. Think of the most efficient way to punish those options, based off stage position, percent and character selection.
5. Then lastly, perfecting the execution
Amsah just reads people. He understands all that stuff that I just laid out above, but he doesn't have to work nearly as hard in that aspect of his game to know all that stuff and to perform the above action. (Which is just reading your opponent)
Also, in order for me to be able to read the highest level of opponents like Amsah or Mango, I will most likely either have to play against high level opponents for a long period of time, or be an absolute expert at video watching. Why?
Because the options my opponents can come up with get better and more creative the higher level of play I get to. So, even if I can read people at my level and below with 100% accuracy (Which I can't do and is nearly impossible anyways), when I play better people their reactions to my tests become better and harder to punish.
So if I'm playing someone either better than me or with an unfamiliar playstyle, and I do something to get a reaction out of them and they do something I didn't expect, not only does it catch me off guard but now I have to mentally, on the fly, come up with a way to counter that, and then somehow think of the most optimal way to punish it.
To Amsah, doing that to him isn't as hard as it is for say, M2K, which is why M2K put in so much time thinking of strategies...To make sure he was prepared for everything. However, M2K could learn to have the reading and prediction abilities of Mango/Amsah if he developed them. Instead though, he focuses his efforts on making up strategies and having perfect execution. And, that's highly effective and unique. No one plays like M2K, and that's good.
I've talked enough really, but the point is even if nothing in the game comes naturally to you, I believe anyone has the ability to develop those skills....Even if it takes them much longer than other people.
For a really good player, figuring a way around Sheik's Ftilt will take maybe an hour or two of concentrated thought, testing and practice. Dash dance near it, bait it, run in and grab it, and a few other ways maybe.
Someone whose mind isn't necessarily developed/geared towards competition, thinking of strategy, and maybe a mind that lacks expertise in the creative process in general...They can still develop those strategies on their own. The only difference is, it might take them 6-10 hours instead. That's pretty extreme actually, it will probably take them less time than that, but you get my example. Some people have to work harder for it.
I just talked to Amsah actually and asked him for some advice on reading people and controlling people and using information I've gathered against them. (It was actually a much more complicated question than that, but that was the general idea) He gave me some indirect advice, but when I asked him about it he said, "I don't know, reading my opponent always came naturally to me so I can't give you much advice on that."
Getting to the level of reading people that I can do now took me so much time and hard work, and now I'm trying to take it to the next level, and it's just not something that's coming naturally. Sucks for me, Amsah could just do it from the beginning. Now for me to get to his level (Which I definitely will) I have to work much harder. The process goes like this:
1. Pre-Identify as many situations as I can see in Melee
2. Pre-Identify vs. the character that my opponent plays every option he has
3. In game, focus on those situations when they come up, and figure out actions I can execute that will generate a reaction from my opponent. If I've done my work properly, the reaction(s) that I get will match up with an option that I've identified in step #2
4. Think of the most efficient way to punish those options, based off stage position, percent and character selection.
5. Then lastly, perfecting the execution
Amsah just reads people. He understands all that stuff that I just laid out above, but he doesn't have to work nearly as hard in that aspect of his game to know all that stuff and to perform the above action. (Which is just reading your opponent)
Also, in order for me to be able to read the highest level of opponents like Amsah or Mango, I will most likely either have to play against high level opponents for a long period of time, or be an absolute expert at video watching. Why?
Because the options my opponents can come up with get better and more creative the higher level of play I get to. So, even if I can read people at my level and below with 100% accuracy (Which I can't do and is nearly impossible anyways), when I play better people their reactions to my tests become better and harder to punish.
So if I'm playing someone either better than me or with an unfamiliar playstyle, and I do something to get a reaction out of them and they do something I didn't expect, not only does it catch me off guard but now I have to mentally, on the fly, come up with a way to counter that, and then somehow think of the most optimal way to punish it.
To Amsah, doing that to him isn't as hard as it is for say, M2K, which is why M2K put in so much time thinking of strategies...To make sure he was prepared for everything. However, M2K could learn to have the reading and prediction abilities of Mango/Amsah if he developed them. Instead though, he focuses his efforts on making up strategies and having perfect execution. And, that's highly effective and unique. No one plays like M2K, and that's good.
I've talked enough really, but the point is even if nothing in the game comes naturally to you, I believe anyone has the ability to develop those skills....Even if it takes them much longer than other people.
JesiahTEG
Smash Master
Pyro- On one hand, the amount of drama going on in here seems kind of silly, but on the other hand, if everyone who's actually dissing each other uses that as motivation to get better, then they will improve. Also, there's nothing wrong with a little tension between players.
I always try to use everything to my advantage in my goal to improve, even if it's not in the Smash game. If someone disses me online or IRL, I use it for 2 things.
1.Motivation
2.A challenge to remain calm and build an unbreakable mentality. If you can remain calm while people are dissing you and not let it affect you, only motivate you...That's a skill that not only every Smasher should have, but every competitor. And it's so hard to get to that point, it's a challenge. So, the more people trash talk me and say stuff, it's actually leveling me up in that area, if that makes sense.
I always try to use everything to my advantage in my goal to improve, even if it's not in the Smash game. If someone disses me online or IRL, I use it for 2 things.
1.Motivation
2.A challenge to remain calm and build an unbreakable mentality. If you can remain calm while people are dissing you and not let it affect you, only motivate you...That's a skill that not only every Smasher should have, but every competitor. And it's so hard to get to that point, it's a challenge. So, the more people trash talk me and say stuff, it's actually leveling me up in that area, if that makes sense.
JesiahTEG
Smash Master
WTF HOW DARE YOU! That's not even cool dude wow. I thought we were friends. You're just dumb and you don't understand what it means. Wow why don't you try understanding it before making fun of it. What an idiot. Play me to watch my immovability and silence and elegance and fierceness.
Okay, a few things.First, f*ck you.
Second, f*ck you.
Third, you are fierce. Especially when you've had some Taco Bell in you.
Fourth, you would be immovable and silent, except for those twitches you get when you're about to blatantly upsmash someone with Falco and when you giggle like JD's big/little sister after said upsmashes connect.
Sixth, you are quite elegant, can't take that away from you.
Seventh (just like the FF of the same number...LAST), we are friends, I'm just keeping this sh*t madd real.
Foy is short.
Juni is hilarious.
Mike is tier wench. (Olé!)
KT Kasrani
Smash Champion
PA tryna come up to ur next big tourny in syracuse. so get ur dik jokes ready
JesiahTEG
Smash Master
wanna buy me some tbell?
First, f*ck you.
Second, f*ck you.
Third, you are fierce. Especially when you've had some Taco Bell in you.
Fourth, you would be immovable and silent, except for those twitches you get when you're about to blatantly upsmash someone with Falco and when you giggle like JD's big/little sister after said upsmashes connect.
Sixth, you are quite elegant, can't take that away from you.
Seventh (just like the FF of the same number...LAST), we are friends, I'm just keeping this sh*t madd real.
Foy is short.
Juni is hilarious.
Mike is tier wench. (Olé!)
RTF
Smash Lord
I wouldn't worry. We have a lot of time on our hands... and diks. LOL!
wtf give yourself an infraction
First, f*ck you.
Second, f*ck you.
Third, you are fierce. Especially when you've had some Taco Bell in you.
Fourth, you would be immovable and silent, except for those twitches you get when you're about to blatantly upsmash someone with Falco and when you giggle like JD's big/little sister after said upsmashes connect.
Sixth, you are quite elegant, can't take that away from you.
Seventh (just like the FF of the same number...LAST), we are friends, I'm just keeping this sh*t madd real.
Foy is short.
Juni is hilarious.
Mike is tier wench. (Olé!)
i see censor dodging
SnowMan
Smash Journeyman
*u-air
"Oleeeee."
"Oleeeee."
huMps
Smash Ace
wille is really stuck on snow man. 25 posts 23 of them rippin on snow man. It's getting weird.
Foy
Smash Champion
I stole Foy's account <3.
~SnowMan.
~SnowMan.
Foy
Smash Champion
Son of a *****
RTF
Smash Lord
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=11263739#post11263739
new brawl tier list!
new brawl tier list!
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
I support trash talk. I dislike when people call each other bad (i'm guilty too i admit). Something about when people have put a lot of work into something, for people to call it awful, is just disappointing.
Foy
Smash Champion
That trash talk wasnt serious hun. I was just upset and wanted to vent. I love you dudu and you bested me. Just want to let you know i still love you.
I just hate your puff.
Everything else is love.
hubble
Smash Ace
you guys are gay
im the worst player in our region
im the worst player in our region
Foy
Smash Champion
Burak you up? You should come over here.