What do you think about Zero Suit Samus's new look and moves?

[BloderModer]

"Samus is out of character" "HIgh Heels ruin Samus" "Other M ****ed up on Samus"
...................................I've officially reached my snapping point with you all. And I mean ALL of you when I say this, READ THIS WHOLE THING THROUGH!

Like Link, Samus was originally never given a personal character, but because she's a bounty hunter and there's always a part where she escapes a massive explosion, everybody has ASSUMED She's emotionless and just blows up everything in sight until her "mission" is finished. And yet, when we finally got Metroid: Zero Mission to give us SOME detail about her past, everyone hated it. why? Because somehow a character with no character at all was out of character by having a backstory.

Metroid Fusion came after Super Metroid, and we finally got a more in-depth look at Samus, and she even finally spoke to someone in-game! But everyone hated it. because Samus displayed emotion and had a ****ing backstory.

Now we have Other M, and everyone hates it. why? Because Samus has a ****ing backstory explained in full and she's shown in a weaker state of mind than she usually is.

Now here's the kicker: Everyone loved Super Metroid..............and called it one of the greatest games of all time...............yet, Samus shows emotion in that game too. she cares about the Baby Metroid, and when it dies she blasts Mother Brain into oblivion. and then Other M happens while she's recovering from the emotional impact of watching the last of another kind perish above her. all of you, read this next thing I link you, because it will give in-depthness of the Ridley scene. read it. AND FOR THE RECORD: I am NOT the one who wrote this. I have no idea who the author actually is, but they definitely aren't me. now here it is:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9806122/1/Amber-and-Dragon

No-one hated Metroid Fusion. She was totally in-character.

 

[Maikou]

Then how do you explain Metroid Other M's supposed "Out-Of-Character-ness"?! From what I see, I see the exact same person in Samus in both Metroid Other M and Metroid Fusion respectively. What, did everyone like Fusion better just because it was written in text instead of spoken? is that it? the only reason? Look, I get the Ridley scene, where it doesn't seem to make sense for Samus to freak out, but the story I linked explains that part.

I haven't read the Metroid Manga past the first few chapters, but I know Samus' Origin story in full detail. to me, it seems logical that anyone who meets a giant purple space dragon who murders their entire colony in front of them, tries to make friends with them, and almost dies because of them, at the age of like, 3, would be eternaly traumitized. in Metroid Zero Mission, Samus knows Ridley is coming up as a fight, so she's prepared. in Prime, She was aware the space pirates still existed, so she was most likely also aware that they could bring Ridley back multiple times, mentally allowing her to steel herself for the fights in the entire Prime trilogy. in Super Metroid, She has the space pirates being there as a warning that Ridley is once again back, Once again mentally prepared.

in Other M Ridley came out of nowhere. how could one detect if that cute-ish fuzzy birdie-thing was Ridley's child stage? the later adolescent Ridley wasn't exactly obvious either.

Just read the linked story.

 

[BloderModer]

Then how do you explain Metroid Other M's supposed "Out-Of-Character-ness"?! From what I see, I see the exact same person in Samus in both Metroid Other M and Metroid Fusion respectively. What, did everyone like Fusion better just because it was written in text instead of spoken? is that it? the only reason? Look, I get the Ridley scene, where it doesn't seem to make sense for Samus to freak out, but the story I linked explains that part.

I haven't read the Metroid Manga past the first few chapters, but I know Samus' Origin story in full detail. to me, it seems logical that anyone who meets a giant purple space dragon who murders their entire colony in front of them, tries to make friends with them, and almost dies because of them, at the age of like, 3, would be eternaly traumitized. in Metroid Zero Mission, Samus knows Ridley is coming up as a fight, so she's prepared. in Prime, She was aware the space pirates still existed, so she was most likely also aware that they could bring Ridley back multiple times, mentally allowing her to steel herself for the fights in the entire Prime trilogy. in Super Metroid, She has the space pirates being there as a warning that Ridley is once again back, Once again mentally prepared.

in Other M Ridley came out of nowhere. how could one detect if that cute-ish fuzzy birdie-thing was Ridley's child stage? the later adolescent Ridley wasn't exactly obvious either.

Just read the linked story.

Oh, I'm not here to discuss Other M. I'm just saying that Metroid Fusion doesn't conflict with the characterization she was known for. "Silent, extremely competent bounty hunter, needs no help, asks no questions, unless it's in conflict with her ideals or work and works alone/takes charge."

Yes, that story is cute, but I wouldn't be interested in a story where Boba Fett breaks down in front of a Jedi either.

 

[Maikou]

Boba Fett is a different story. Completely different.
Ugh, forget this. going to try to look for something like a third-person Metroid Prime.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

I'm here to remind everyone to keep discussion E for Everyone and to avoid potentially sexual/sexist/inflammatory remarks. You can discuss Zero Suit Samus without mentioning her "milkshake" other parts of the female body in appropriately. This forum is intended for users of all ages but that type of discussion is considered inappropriate. As well, keep things civil with the Other M v Every other Metroid game. I'm still drawn to that mole on her chin btw.

 

[Empyrean]

I'm still drawn to that mole on her chin btw.

I might have to report this.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Does anyone have an idea where those boots she has comes from? A friend of mine told me that she never has anything like that in the series at all.

The only Metroid games I played were the prime series where Samus gets the space jump boots.
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Space_Jump_Boots
I figured this might be a connection, but they really look nothing alike from the game development compared to the smash game. I suppose the boots could look a literal different out of suit, but seems like a bit of a stretch. So, just wondering if there is like any reference to boots outside of the prime series.

 

[IsmaR]

Exactly how I feel on it. Said this Moveset Changes thread, but they could be redesigned versions of these:

Spoiler

 

[ぱみゅ]

Also: http://kotaku.com/samus-new-high-heels-are-well-1561573770
Adventure Time artist gave other smash-characters heels.

Of course it had to be Natasha Allegri!

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Does anyone have an idea where those boots she has comes from? A friend of mine told me that she never has anything like that in the series at all.

The only Metroid games I played were the prime series where Samus gets the space jump boots.
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Space_Jump_Boots
I figured this might be a connection, but they really look nothing alike from the game development compared to the smash game. I suppose the boots could look a literal different out of suit, but seems like a bit of a stretch. So, just wondering if there is like any reference to boots outside of the prime series.

They're new and they're ****ing awesome.

 

[Chronodiver Lokii]

hi sfp
hows it goin?

ikr?
dem boots
when i learn to use foam for cosplay
i must make them and wear them on my feets and put lights in them
i will feel so fancy and i will kick many things

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

hi sfp
hows it goin?

ikr?
dem boots
when i learn to use foam for cosplay
i must make them and wear them on my feets and put lights in them
i will feel so fancy and i will kick many things

Hey Loki, I'm good, but this "oversexualization" thing is ****ing killing me.

Ladies and gentlemen and everyone outside and in-between: these boots are not remotely sexually attractive. These boots were made for ass-kicking. They look like boots with huge ass, ugly heels, not like lesbian porn stilettos. Putting Zero Suit in standard combat boots would have been boring as ****. Putting jets in combat boots would be ridiculous. The ugly, awesome techno heel provides a pipe for the expulsion of flammable material, not to give Samus a prominent ass, as though she needed help there anyway. Damn Samus, back it up.

The thought process here probably went something like this:

"hey samus is badass but needs more than a gun and a laser whip"
"omg, sakurai-san let's give her some ****ing jet boots"
"omg that's a great idea let's let an artist sketch it out and see what he comes up with"

artist:

"hmm. jet boots are weird logistically as there's no real way a rocket mechanism could work in a pair of standard boots. hey, maybe i could put a heel on them for propulsion. this is a very sensible, and aesthetically pleasing solution to this problem because women often wear shoes with heels on them."

Artist draws a clunky pair of industrial techno boots. Done.

Internet feminism crusaders: you are right that women are not always portrayed in the best light in video games. That sucks. But pick your battles. There isn't one worth fighting here.

 

[Skyfox2000]

I don't see what's the big deal about Samus being oversexulized.

 

[KingBroly]

As someone who mained ZSS in Brawl and knows a lot of the visual quirks with the modeling there, I think they still have a lot of work to do on her modeling in the Wii U version.

 

[Chronodiver Lokii]

the original paralyzer animation was so much better
new one is visually appealing
...new one has broken limbs ; -- ;
y they do this

i wanna see the rig and skinning T_T

 

[Volodya]

Internet feminism crusaders: you are right that women are not always portrayed in the best light in video games. That sucks. But pick your battles. There isn't one worth fighting here.

Credit to supercargautier on tumblr, as far as I know.

So, yeah. ZSS looks less like an actual person and more like a doll. I think a solid comparison can be made to a woman that got enough cosmetic surgery done to be called a "human barbie" (Valeria Lukyanova, for anyone interested).

Spoiler

Samus has never been treated like this before. Sexualization is something to be expected from women in video games, but this just seems so blatant, and the results are sloppy. For example, you can say that the heels are jet boots, that they have a function, but this could have been accomplished with, well, anything. She could've had actual boots for the job, or jets attached to her back. Heels were chosen for a purpose, but it wasn't because people wear heels to combat. I've never worn them before, but can you imagine running uphill or downhill? Fighting on a surface that isn't perfectly flat like a fighting game stage? You'd bust your ass and look like you have no idea what you're doing. This is just a video game, but inasmuch as I care about video games, this is ridiculous.

 

[Virum]

Samus has always been insanely flexible. How would she be able to contort into a Morph Ball if she couldn't? That gif doesn't really prove anything because Samus is basically superhuman anyway. People are getting too bent out of shape over something that in the grand scheme of this game doesn't matter. It just reflects on how superficial we are that our prime focus of discussion for this character is how she looks, as well as trying to apply some kind of practicality to a character whom naturally doesn't abide by the laws of human practicality (Samus is basically a superhuman when you get down to it).

What's most important is how the character moves, feels and plays. Obviously with the latter two points we can only make assumptions but assumptions that nonetheless lead to more productive discussion imo. Now let me go back to that Neutral B pose briefly.

The main issue with the pose isn't that it's all that unrealisitic (this is Smash, stylisation is common) but that it's just not quite believable and convincing enough and as a result not a very good pose. The arcs of the pose aren't very clean and the line of action isn't very strong. I like the fact that the Sakurai and his team attempted to create a more dynamic pose for the move (they've done this for a lot of Smash 4 animations and I actually feel for the most part they've been succeeding), but they didn't really succeed in this instance. I do however feel they succeeded with the new FAir, BAir and FSmash animations. Those pack much more of a punch (the former two in particular are considerably better than their Brawl counterparts imo).

tl;dr: The sexualisation "issue" is fair enough, but I feel it's not worth dwelling and focusing on as much as people are doing. How the character will move and play in the grand scheme of things is the most important thing.

 

[Cereal Bawks]

I think he was talking about a new move. I think her Up-B was replaced with a strong upwards rocket kick; she combos with this move in the direct.


Yes, her boobs were enhanced.

As was the rest of her body. She was super skinny in Brawl, they just gave her more meat in this game.

 

[Deleted member]

but can you imagine running uphill or downhill? Fighting on a surface that isn't perfectly flat like a fighting game stage? You'd bust your *** and look like you have no idea what you're doing.

Can you imagine a pudgy little man with a huge nose jumping 10 feet in the air?

Can you imagine running around while wearing a frilly floor-length dress?

Can you imagine a piece of sentient bubblegum that can devour anything?

Can you imagine [insert any characteristic of any Smash character]?

If you are okay with any of these things, then you should be okay with jet heels. Samus may be designed to look like a human woman, but she isn't one. She is a character in a video game where tons of impossible things happen all the time, so stop trying to apply real-world logic to her.

 

[Maikou]

@SmasFromThePast :Thank you! People applying real-world logic in games sickens me to no measurable extent.
besides that fact, and going against everything you just said for a minute, I feel I should explain that pose from real-world standards if only to massacre the argument in it. Kay, here I go:
I'm no athlete, in fact I don't do much excersize at all, (Wii Fit Trainer would work me so hard for saying that.....) and I just struck that exact pose myself to see how well it works. and guess what I found out?

let me state the specifics:
I bent my right knee down and moved my foot so my sole was completely vertical, putting my toes on the floor, just like in ZSS' pose here.
next, I put my left leg out as accurate to the pose as I could. based on what little I really know of physics, I felt myself as if I was braced for a gun's kickback. next, I took my surprisingly similarly shaped toy Nerf pistol. finally, I completed the pose exactly how ZSS did here. guess how I felt? completely comfortable. I felt as if I could take the kickback from the gun. I can't imagine a better posture. being on one knee unless you really know how to balance your weight can make it easy to be kicked over. pretty sure this new pose is better for combat. I tried to make my arm lower and cover my chest, but then it was harder to make the laser pointer line up in my sight properly. oh, and my entire right arm felt great, so "dislocated shoulder" is complete BULLCRAP.

My only complaint was my right knee, but as I said I'm no athlete, so that isn't a good argument against it anyway.

Seriously, strike the same pose as accuratley as you can and use some kind of toy pistol or something as a replica of Samus' Paralyser, and THEN tell me it isn't combat suited.

And if possible, be an athlete trained in all the proper things before you do to get it as accuratley as you can.

Thank you, goodbye.

oh, and @SmasFromThePast, sorry for possibly keeping the argument going when you could have possibly stopped it, I just feel like I needed to try to argue on their terms. plus some real-world people could learn from ZSS if that pose really is suited properly for combat.

plus I just went through the trouble of striking the pose TWICE. so yeah, I'm a little annoyed that they doubt it.

Now that I've done that, I can't imagine the pose with her arm position being any different at all.

People will complain anyway I guess.......

 

[Cereal Bawks]

On the topic of weird poses, Smash Bros. almost always has unproportional crap. Just look at Link's pose when he's about to throw his boomerang. He literally turns his entire torso backwards.

 

[Maikou]

......Did you even read my post?

 

[Cereal Bawks]

I wasn't replying to you. Not even disagreeing with you either.

 

[aliensalmon]

I think (Zero Suit) Samus looks even more beautiful than she does in Brawl - it's a nice change. I don't know about the moveset but I'll know more when I start playing the game!

 

[Kuraudo]

Say. I've got an idea. All the people complaining about Zero Suit Samus and her heels and her being objectified.

Get this.

PLAY SAMUS! Original Samus! You know, the one in the damn power suit that we play with her in for every single game she's ever been in?

You complainers talk about how she's supposed to be some hardcore bounty hunter that fights off insurmountable odds (which she does)?

She does all of that still! ...in her power suit. Go play Samus in that and quit complaining.

 

[Empyrean]

Say. I've got an idea. All the people complaining about Zero Suit Samus and her heels and her being objectified.

Get this.

PLAY SAMUS! Original Samus! You know, the one in the damn power suit that we play with her in for every single game she's ever been in?

You complainers talk about how she's supposed to be some hardcore bounty hunter that fights off insurmountable odds (which she does)?

She does all of that still! ...in her power suit. Go play Samus in that and quit complaining.

You don't get it. Her mere presence in our universe, even if she is just fiction, ruins everything humanity stands for and completely undermines the millennia of progress our species has worked hard to achieve. I'm afraid nothing will ever be able to heal the wounds caused by Samus' sexiness.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Credit to supercargautier on tumblr, as far as I know.

So, yeah. ZSS looks less like an actual person and more like a doll. I think a solid comparison can be made to a woman that got enough cosmetic surgery done to be called a "human barbie" (Valeria Lukyanova, for anyone interested).

Spoiler

Samus has never been treated like this before. Sexualization is something to be expected from women in video games, but this just seems so blatant, and the results are sloppy. For example, you can say that the heels are jet boots, that they have a function, but this could have been accomplished with, well, anything. She could've had actual boots for the job, or jets attached to her back. Heels were chosen for a purpose, but it wasn't because people wear heels to combat. I've never worn them before, but can you imagine running uphill or downhill? Fighting on a surface that isn't perfectly flat like a fighting game stage? You'd bust your *** and look like you have no idea what you're doing. This is just a video game, but inasmuch as I care about video games, this is ridiculous.

Here's a rebuttal I found.

http://challengerapproaching.tumblr.com/post/83938231135/lovelymidnamage-libbykeppen-wingiestbird

If you don't feel like reading; Basically, the purpose behind such impossible posing is for Zamus's movements to be better telegraphed. Because she's so fast in movement, there's maybe half a second to enjoy the fanservice provided before she follows up the attack. Plus, other characters also will screw up their entire anatomy just to better show their moves, like Charizard or WFT.

 

[negativeX]

You don't get it. Her mere presence in our universe, even if she is just fiction, ruins everything humanity stands for and completely undermines the millennia of progress our species has worked hard to achieve. I'm afraid nothing will ever be able to heal the wounds caused by Samus' sexiness.

This is either beautiful satire, overreacting for an internet reaction, or extremism. No matter which one it is a like for you.

 

[Maikou]

ZSS pose isn't impossible, I've managed to imitate it perfectly with no problems at all: and I'm three things that should make such a pose far more difficult for me: I'm male, I don't exercise much and therefore don't have the impossible bossness of Samus herself, and I'm actually not good with doing ground poses. unfortenetly I can't take a picture of myself doing the pose to prove it's plausibilty, so I can't really show my proof. however I do say that I feel others should try to do it themselves. I honestly felt comfortable with it besides my right knee, but that's just cuz Samus is a boss and well....I'm not.

For the record, the only reason I'm here is because I haven't found a tall enough skyscraper yet.

 

[Cereal Bawks]

Yeah, honestly that pose isn't hard to do at all. Also, I don't see any problem with the shoulder. A lot of people aim like that.

 

[Maikou]

THANK YOU! My hope in humanity may yet be restored! Just for this, I will temporarily halt my search for the tallest skyscraper!

 

[Neo Zero]

I really don't see the problem. The character could hardly care if you were objectifying her for how she's posing or that she has heels, she'll just kick your butt for it anyway.

Also, sure, the fanservice argument can be made, but as has been said, this is a woman who can curl herself into a very tiny ball (and with her proportions, that can't be easy) and roll around, she's probably better at yoga than WFT with how she can move.

 

[Maikou]

Humanity Faith points: 2 of 1000. Continue being reasonable and intelligent and I might just end up cancelling my attempts to find the the tallest skyscraper ever.
Thank you kindly @ Neo Zero .

 

[Big-Cat]

@SmasFromThePast :Thank you! People applying real-world logic in games sickens me to no measurable extent.
besides that fact, and going against everything you just said for a minute, I feel I should explain that pose from real-world standards if only to massacre the argument in it. Kay, here I go:
I'm no athlete, in fact I don't do much excersize at all, (Wii Fit Trainer would work me so hard for saying that.....) and I just struck that exact pose myself to see how well it works. and guess what I found out?

let me state the specifics:
I bent my right knee down and moved my foot so my sole was completely vertical, putting my toes on the floor, just like in ZSS' pose here.
next, I put my left leg out as accurate to the pose as I could. based on what little I really know of physics, I felt myself as if I was braced for a gun's kickback. next, I took my surprisingly similarly shaped toy Nerf pistol. finally, I completed the pose exactly how ZSS did here. guess how I felt? completely comfortable. I felt as if I could take the kickback from the gun. I can't imagine a better posture. being on one knee unless you really know how to balance your weight can make it easy to be kicked over. pretty sure this new pose is better for combat. I tried to make my arm lower and cover my chest, but then it was harder to make the laser pointer line up in my sight properly. oh, and my entire right arm felt great, so "dislocated shoulder" is complete BULLCRAP.

My only complaint was my right knee, but as I said I'm no athlete, so that isn't a good argument against it anyway.

Seriously, strike the same pose as accuratley as you can and use some kind of toy pistol or something as a replica of Samus' Paralyser, and THEN tell me it isn't combat suited.

And if possible, be an athlete trained in all the proper things before you do to get it as accuratley as you can.

Thank you, goodbye.

I can vouch for this as I just tried it myself. It felt pretty good, even on my knees as I'm a big, built guy. They key thing is distribution of weight. The extended left foot actually helps with her needing to move right away and just so happens with being a focal point if she were to turn around.

The so called dislocated shoulder also appears to be a perspective view on that Tumblr person's part. I can see where her deltoid/shoulder starts and it looks fine. Same with her forearm. The lower position helps with lowering her center of gravity for the recoil and minimizing her target area.

 

[Maikou]

Humanity faith points: 5 of 1000.
@ Big-Cat :Thank you!

 

[D-idara]

lol @ that dislocated shoulder thing, has that person never seen anyone aiming a gun?
Seriously, what's all this fuss about Samus being sexualized...? Hell, being a hot girl under that huge armor has been a character trait of hers since THE FIRST METROID.

 

[Big-Cat]

You might as well say, "Is she supposed to be ugly?"

 

[Volodya]

Here's a rebuttal I found.

http://challengerapproaching.tumblr.com/post/83938231135/lovelymidnamage-libbykeppen-wingiestbird

If you don't feel like reading; Basically, the purpose behind such impossible posing is for Zamus's movements to be better telegraphed. Because she's so fast in movement, there's maybe half a second to enjoy the fanservice provided before she follows up the attack. Plus, other characters also will screw up their entire anatomy just to better show their moves, like Charizard or WFT.

Thanks, I liked the way that was written up because it didn't dote on me for having these views. Smash does have those entirely exaggerated movements, but this movement comes with charging up the paralyzer it looks like? So it'd be something lasting longer than a few seconds. Regardless, I'm not trying to argue about the paralyzer pose, it didn't particularly heat me. What I did like about the gif I posted was it showcased something I'm honestly surprised not a lot of people have brought up: the concavity of her chest. It seriously doesn't look healthy.

But why does that matter in a video game character? They can look as unrealistic as their creators want. Well, you wouldn't see talking about this here if this were some fighting game character I didn't care about. The way I know it, some women characters in fighting games have over-sexuality built into their character because it's been there the whole time. So the visuals in Soul Calibur, for example, aren't jarring when a new game comes out because that's how we know the characters; they also are exclusively in Soul Calibur, as far as I know, so they don't have to represent anything outside of it. Everything about Soul Calibur tells me not to take it that seriously.

But Smash Bros has always been about pitting your favorite Nintendo characters against each other, so a certain amount of faithfulness is given to the source material. The way I see it, the changes made to ZSS deviate a little too much. The changes are great enough to where it borders on parody (that concave chest with that bust, especially). She's becoming less Samus and more... another woman in a fighting game? The level of change is similar to those made to Captain Falcon when he made it into the first Smash Bros, except instead of randomly gaining fire-punches, ZSS is becoming more desirable/marketable to horny folks who look up rule 34 of her on deviantart. I was fine with her appearance in Brawl because there seriously were little differences between her look then and that of Zero Mission, for example. The Metroid series added a level of sexuality to itself with that game by adding a playable ZSS, so it wasn't unprecedented. But now in Smash 4, it just feels as blatant as Soul Calibur. I like to imagine the reasons behind ALL of her changes, and all I can get is Nintendo being like "you know you want some of this dog, common bruhhh." Nah, I don't want any of that, I'm not that desperate. Thanks though.

It doesn't help that Smash Bros is way more popular than Metroid right now, so more people will be exposed to this portrayal of Samus than anything else. You could even make an argument that Sakurai has more power over some of these characters than their creators, but that's a different discussion. I hope I've made myself clear here; I less want people to agree with me completely and more want people to stop writing this off as only the rantings of extreme feminists or something.

(This also ended up being way longer than I thought, oh geez)

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Thanks, I liked the way that was written up because it didn't dote on me for having these views. Smash does have those entirely exaggerated movements, but this movement comes with charging up the paralyzer it looks like? So it'd be something lasting longer than a few seconds. Regardless, I'm not trying to argue about the paralyzer pose, it didn't particularly heat me. What I did like about the gif I posted was it showcased something I'm honestly surprised not a lot of people have brought up: the concavity of her chest. It seriously doesn't look healthy.

But why does that matter in a video game character? They can look as unrealistic as their creators want. Well, you wouldn't see talking about this here if this were some fighting game character I didn't care about. The way I know it, some women characters in fighting games have over-sexuality built into their character because it's been there the whole time. So the visuals in Soul Calibur, for example, aren't jarring when a new game comes out because that's how we know the characters; they also are exclusively in Soul Calibur, as far as I know, so they don't have to represent anything outside of it. Everything about Soul Calibur tells me not to take it that seriously.

But Smash Bros has always been about pitting your favorite Nintendo characters against each other, so a certain amount of faithfulness is given to the source material. The way I see it, the changes made to ZSS deviate a little too much. The changes are great enough to where it borders on parody (that concave chest with that bust, especially). She's becoming less Samus and more... another woman in a fighting game? The level of change is similar to those made to Captain Falcon when he made it into the first Smash Bros, except instead of randomly gaining fire-punches, ZSS is becoming more desirable/marketable to horny folks who look up rule 34 of her on deviantart. I was fine with her appearance in Brawl because there seriously were little differences between her look then and that of Zero Mission, for example. The Metroid series added a level of sexuality to itself with that game by adding a playable ZSS, so it wasn't unprecedented. But now in Smash 4, it just feels as blatant as Soul Calibur. I like to imagine the reasons behind ALL of her changes, and all I can get is Nintendo being like "you know you want some of this dog, common bruhhh." Nah, I don't want any of that, I'm not that desperate. Thanks though.

It doesn't help that Smash Bros is way more popular than Metroid right now, so more people will be exposed to this portrayal of Samus than anything else. You could even make an argument that Sakurai has more power over some of these characters than their creators, but that's a different discussion. I hope I've made myself clear here; I less want people to agree with me completely and more want people to stop writing this off as only the rantings of extreme feminists or something.

(This also ended up being way longer than I thought, oh geez)

I thought she looked better than Brawl, myself. (Not in that way! In fact, I'd say she was more oversexualized in Brawl!)

I mean, they got rid of her boob-socks. And they could have easily put her in the two-piece she wears in Fusion and Zero Mission. And they addressed those platform shoes by giving her rocket boots. And yes, she does look sexy, but unlike Other M, she looks badass too.

 

[KatKit]

When I came into this topic, I had no idea that the discussion would go in this direction. O_o

Anyways... she looks cool and fights cool, as expected. Aside from her side B attack, I mostly got KO's from her air kicks. I'm glad they're going to look more flashy. :D

It's going to take me awhile to get used to her new up-B; I'm going to somewhat miss her old one since it awesome, minus the recovery aspect.