tarheeljks
Smash Lord
-- if the full item list is available then the idea that you can just not pick the items up if you don't want to use them is kind of farfetched. you are not even playing the same game as your opponent at that point
-- i didn't say you tried to address things like hazards. i'm noting them as a factor that is not solved by choosing not to use the items. arguably the biggest problem. if i don't want to deal w/items and a box falls on my head and explodes, then what? or if i fsmash and a bobomb appears in my path?
-- regarding the sheik/bowser example, i agree* that knowing strategy x is superior to strategy y doesn't provide sufficient reason to ban strategy x. however, if for some reason using strategy x becomes the only viable way to win, then i think changes should be considered. in the item vs itemless scenario i don't think a player has much of a choice but to use the former strat, particularly if all items are on, whereas bowser doesn't have to adopt the sheik's strategy, i.e. play sheik, in order to win. however, if it became the case that no one was beating sheiks except for other sheiks then it's time to entertain the idea of banning**
*quite strongly believe it or not
** i'd like to note again here that i am very opposed to banning characters, so no one should read this as me agreeing w/the metaknight ban. idk much about it tbh but i would likely oppose it
edit: i say considered b/c it might be appropriate just to say adios to strategy y, which is what many of us do by not choosing low tiered characters
-- i didn't say you tried to address things like hazards. i'm noting them as a factor that is not solved by choosing not to use the items. arguably the biggest problem. if i don't want to deal w/items and a box falls on my head and explodes, then what? or if i fsmash and a bobomb appears in my path?
-- regarding the sheik/bowser example, i agree* that knowing strategy x is superior to strategy y doesn't provide sufficient reason to ban strategy x. however, if for some reason using strategy x becomes the only viable way to win, then i think changes should be considered. in the item vs itemless scenario i don't think a player has much of a choice but to use the former strat, particularly if all items are on, whereas bowser doesn't have to adopt the sheik's strategy, i.e. play sheik, in order to win. however, if it became the case that no one was beating sheiks except for other sheiks then it's time to entertain the idea of banning**
*quite strongly believe it or not
** i'd like to note again here that i am very opposed to banning characters, so no one should read this as me agreeing w/the metaknight ban. idk much about it tbh but i would likely oppose it
edit: i say considered b/c it might be appropriate just to say adios to strategy y, which is what many of us do by not choosing low tiered characters