Who has the most useful Defence mechanisms?

[BloodBird]

Basically you got shields like Links and fox's and then Lucas and Ness's Energy Absorber, but my bid for the most successful Defence is Pit's shield, as it covers almost all attacks from the front.

Anyone else have any opinions.

Mario's Cape - 1 vote
Peach's Toadstool - 0 votes
Link's/Toon Link's Shield - 0 votes
Pit's Shield - 2 votes
Fox's Energy Shield - 0 votes
Falco's Energy Shield - 0 votes
Wolf's Energy Shield - 2 votes
Lucario's Counter - 0 votes
Marth's/Ike's Counter - 1 vote
Ness'/Lucas's Energy Absorber - 0 Votes
Zelda's Nayrus Love - 0 votes

 

[POKE40]

Meta Knight:
He can do the IDC
:D

It is soooo defensive...no one can hit him :/

 

[kingcobra9]

you can't beat a defense like being able to not exist. you can't kill a ghost. but if it has to be something that CAN be stopped just hard to i would say lucas absorber since it heals him and with some tech he can almost fly back to safety. or marth's counter for up close

 

[POKE40]

you can't beat a defense like being able to not exist. you can't kill a ghost. but if it has to be something that CAN be stopped just hard to i would say lucas absorber since it heals him and with some tech he can almost fly back to safety. or marth's counter for up close

Meta Knight exists....in a different dimension.
he happens to go to melee. But you see pichu kicks his @$$ and MK is like wtf.
So MK is frustrated since he can't beat anyone in the melee dimension and decides to go back to brawl.

Oh yeah and the most useful?
snake. He has a lot of things to use for defense & as well as offense
Snake's projectiles **** hard. :D

 

[JUDGE]

don't you guys think marios cape is way to bad : )
it is defenitly the best defence tool

 

[BloodBird]

I should make a list of all the Defense Mechanisms.
Then you guys can vote.

See my first post for the list

 

[Scaphist]

I think you should seperate Fox/Falco/Wolf. I'd have to say Wolfs reflector is better due to the invincibility it grants before it comes out, making it a really good tool when someones up in your face.

 

[MASTERLINKX]

Olimar's Pikmin

 

[Red Arremer]

You should've titled "Which character has the best defense move?"... this is misleading.

I was gonna say Dedede, but since it's about moves.. <.<

 

[:mad:]

I was thinking more along the lines of Game and Watch and Marth.

And Mario's cape sucks as a defensive tactic, by the way. As does Ness/Lucas magnets.

 

[ndayday]

Seperate Ness and Lucas' magnet and the spacies' reflectors.

I know that at least for Fox, his shine is used more as a stalling/gimping (offensive) move, not so much a defensive move, so I wouldn't say yes for that one. Peach's toad isn't too terribly bad, but it isn't something you should use a ton...Link and TL's shield sucks, you have to be standing still for it to even block, and Lucario's counter isn't too great.

Out of those, I guess I would vote for either Ike/Marth's counter or Pit's shield. I think it'd be a more interesting topic if it was switched to what Spadefox's idea of the thread was, though.

 

[BloodBird]

My use of the word Defensive Mechanisms was in the sense that it is a Defense only move, where Metaknights Spin may be used defensivly it is primarilly an attack, whereas Lucas absorber and mario's cape or marth's counter are primarily defensive moves. I also used the word mechanism to include Link and Toon Link's shields, since they block low projectiles but arent moves.

 

[BloodBird]

I think it'd be a more interesting topic if it was switched to what Spadefox's idea of the thread was, though.

Well no reason you can't elaborate on your opinon of that fact, just vote and then discuss.

 

[Hiiiiiii]

Pit's shield

Stops melee attacks too

 

[Spade1]

no mr gnw bucket?

 

[Xebenkeck]

Umm Nayrus love is also o counter

 

[shmo395]

no mr gnw bucket?

lol silly noob, bucket gets 3 fills, then no more protection, on the other hand, wolf is like "check me out, my NRG shield survives at least 1 hit of pretty much anything

 

[shmo395]

Pit's shield

Stops melee attacks too

but u can get hit in the head even when tilting up, and it takes awhile to take out and put back, the B left is much more useful cuz you cant c it coming as easily, and it does damage, along with reflecting projectiles and short range melee, and short grab

 

[JUDGE]

I was thinking more along the lines of Game and Watch and Marth.

And Mario's cape sucks as a defensive tactic, by the way. As does Ness/Lucas magnets.

ok you're right

 

[BloodBird]

Nayrus Lovr that's Zelda I'll add that one.

 

[cman]

Marth's Whale Render definitely. The moves you listed are pretty terrible defensively

 

[Crystanium]

Mario's Cape - 1 vote
Peach's Toadstool - 0 votes
Link's/Toon Link's Shield - 0 votes
Pit's Shield - 2 votes
Fox's Energy Shield - 0 votes
Falco's Energy Shield - 0 votes
Wolf's Energy Shield - 2 votes
Lucario's Counter - 0 votes
Marth's/Ike's Counter - 1 vote
Ness'/Lucas's Energy Absorber - 0 Votes
Zelda's Nayrus Love - 0 votes

Mario's Cape: Stops all projectile (including PK Flash and PK Freeze) and physical attacks. Not resistant against transcendent priority, such as z-air (Samus, Link, Toon Link).

Peach's Toadstool: Counters all projectile and physical attacks, including transcendent priority, but is useless after it has been out.

Link's/Toon Link's Shield: Stops projectile attacks, but only if Link/Toon Link is standing. It's also dependent on whether or not Link/Toon Link is turning his body or doing some sort of movement.

Pit's Mirror Shield: Stops all projectile (including PK Flash and PK Freeze) and physical attacks, including transcendent priority. Projectile attacks increase in speed and power once reflected. It also acts like Mario's Cape when the shine is present when it is brought out.

Fox's/Falco's/Wolf's Reflector: Reflects all projectile attacks, including PK Flash and PK Freeze. Projectile attacks increase in speed and power once reflected. Reflectors can be used as attacks as well. For Falco, projectiles are reflected until his Reflector is put away. For Wolf, invincibility frames at the start-up.

Lucario's/Marth's/Ike's Counter: Counters all attacks and projectiles. For Lucario and Marth, the cool down leaves them open for attack while they're still in the last frames of Counter. For Ike, it's the opposite. His start-up leaves him vulnerable to attacks. It takes a bit longer.

Ness'/Lucas' PSI Magnet: Absorbs all energy-based projectiles, including Zero Suit Samus' d-smash, PK Flash and PK Freeze, but it's not resistant to solid projectiles or physical attacks. For Ness, the PSI Magnet gives a small push, but it's barely noticeable, let alone useful. Ness can also get out of his PSI Magnet instantly after absorbing energy-based projectiles. For Lucas, the PSI Magnet can injure his opponent. He may also use it to recover after perform PK Fire and the PSI Magnet away from the stage, which pushes him toward the stage.

Zelda's Nayru's Love: Reflects all projectile attacks, including PK Flash and PK Freeze. It may also be used to injure Zelda's opponent. Projectile speed and power also increase if reflected.

I'd have to say that Pit's Mirror Shield is the best defense. Link/Toon Link has the worst.

 

[BloodBird]

For ease of use I'll just repost the vote each page.

Mario's Cape - 1 vote
Peach's Toadstool - 0 votes
Link's/Toon Link's Shield - 0 votes
Pit's Shield - 3 votes
Fox's Energy Shield - 0 votes
Falco's Energy Shield - 0 votes
Wolf's Energy Shield - 2 votes
Lucario's Counter - 0 votes
Marth's/Ike's Counter - 3 votes
Ness'/Lucas's PSI Magnet - 0 Votes
Zelda's Nayrus Love - 0 votes
Game and Watch's Bucket 1 vote

 

[foofatron]

G&W's bucket: Can absorb attacks, but better yet can be used to live for like ever lol. Defense against the death zones!

G&W's upb: Has invincibility frames, will escape practically anything.

 

[Nixernator]

Marth's Counter, but not Ike's.

 

[SpongeBathBill]

Shine is the most useful defence mechanism offensively.

 

[JigglyPunch]

Marth's counter ftw

 

[JOE!]

Yoshi's Bair.....

 

[Crystanium]

Votes shouldn't be what determines which is better. What I've listed is useful to determine which one is the better one.

 

[Red Arremer]

lol silly noob, bucket gets 3 fills, then no more protection, on the other hand, wolf is like "check me out, my NRG shield survives at least 1 hit of pretty much anything

lol, silly noob, doubleposting.

 

[Kitamerby]

Lucario's roll.

 

[PHiL Gee]

I was thinking more along the lines of Game and Watch and Marth.

And Mario's cape sucks as a defensive tactic, by the way. As does Ness/Lucas magnets.

What!
I love Lucas's PSI Magnet its so fun!
It does damage, makes you float a little(like fox's)
I like to jump off stage and use it just above Ness or Lucas when they use PK thunder. It gets sucked in and they just fall down

 

[BloodBird]

Votes shouldn't be what determines which is better. What I've listed is useful to determine which one is the better one.

Ya but I like people to have their opinion
and disagreeing is what the discussion is for

Mario's Cape - 2 votes
Peach's Toadstool - 0 votes
Link's/Toon Link's Shield - 0 votes
Pit's Shield - 3 votes
Fox's Energy Shield - 0 votes
Falco's Energy Shield - 0 votes
Wolf's Energy Shield - 2 votes
Lucario's Counter - 0 votes
Marth's/Ike's Counter - 7 votes
Ness'/Lucas's PSI Magnet - 2 Votes
Zelda's Nayrus Love - 0 votes
Game and Watch's Bucket 1 vote

 

[Jim Morrison]

Counter.

10counters.

 

[Crystanium]

Ya but I like people to have their opinion

Opinions aren't fact.

and disagreeing is what the discussion is for

And no one has disagreed with what I wrote. No one else has even set up reasons why this or that is better than the rest. Imagine people voting for Link/Toon Link. Votes do not prove anything. They're useless, and something accepted by the majority doesn't mean it's correct. A simple tale in history that man once believed the world was flat is proof that the majority doesn't mean it's correct.

 

[ZettaKuma]

I will have to say the PSI Magnets.
Those work good against Pikachu (THUNDA!) or Pit (Stupid blue arrows...)
Lucas's also doubles as a recover move , and (like posted) hurt foes.

 

[GALE 14]

marios defence is the best just because his cape
its fast

 

[JUDGE]

marios defence is the best just because his cape
its fast

yeah, mario is cool but marths counter is better
by theway gale you have many grammatical mistakes in your sentence ; )

 

[BloodBird]

Mario's cape has a good effect to turn the person around but Pit has that same attribute so he would beat Mario out there.

 

[JUDGE]

Mario's cape has a good effect to turn the person around but Pit has that same attribute so he would beat Mario out there.

but pit's downB havn't got as much applications as marios cape like cape stalling, cape teleport ,aerial cape extension etc.
so you can't really say that pits shield beats marios cape