who's your most hated char to play against?

[Rat]

you can dtilt his shield without risking a knee. it is close but not free.

If your shield isn't coming up then buffer a spot dodge or time an UpB (invincibility frames ftw).

 

[Tyserification]

If any high/top tier knows the matchup, you should lose basically :'(

Poor, poor Samus.

 

[Pi]

you can dtilt his shield without risking a knee. it is close but not free.

If your shield isn't coming up then buffer a spot dodge or time an UpB (invincibility frames ftw).

hm
i'll see next time I play him
i played him a few days ago and he wasn't doing it
but i chalked that up to rust
since he doesn't play much

 

[ihavespaceblondes]

Frame data says you can get kneed after a shielded dtilt, with like 7 frame leniency for the Falcon. And I've had Scar do it to me.

Edit: Also, Rat, have you ever played Iori's Mewtwo? Not quite so easy (still one of the few characters of his I can actually beat though).

 

[Rat]

**** I'll stop dtilting the front side of shields.

I might have played Iori like 2 years ago at a Viperboy tournament, but it's unlikely.

I guess I need to play more mew2s. =(

 

[ihavespaceblondes]

No, you really don't. Like you said, it's almost hilarious how little Mewtwo can do in that matchup.
Iori's just really really good and camps like a ***** until you mess up and get grabbed or naired.

 

[oOJaseOo]

for me top 3 hardest are:

falcon
jiggz
peach

fox,falco and marth aint to bad

but i dont really play that many people and the best guy i play is like 7th best in england or sumin =s

 

[edgeluca]

for me top 3 hardest are:

falcon
jiggz
peach

fox,falco and marth aint to bad

but i dont really play that many people and the best guy i play is like 7th best in england or sumin =s

I agree with jiggz and peach, but replace falcon with sheik.

 

[TheLifeRuiner]

he's PAL

i think

 

[oOJaseOo]

yep ^^ falcon can get sumin like 7 knees in a row on samus in pal not to sure tho iv seen 12 before =(

 

[edgeluca]

Oh ****
Is sheik hard there too though?

 

[oOJaseOo]

she's at the top above all i think in tier list but its a 60/40 match up her way against samus where as falcon is 70/30 his way but im not so sure

 

[TheLifeRuiner]

i would think shiek is pretty much still gay with the needles, but at least she doesn't have dthrow->aerial

right?

 

[oOJaseOo]

only at high % but shes at the top of our tier list so yeah pretty gay, but that might change seeing as our best player has switched to falcon

 

[TheLifeRuiner]

i don't follow the european scene; who is the best samus?
i would think that samus would be much better in pal

 

[oOJaseOo]

nah shes about the same here there aint rlly many famous samus's and half the tricks and junk that u guys have dont work here

heres the tier list for pal if your curious http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=97627

 

[Pi]

they took out swd and extender yea?

 

[oOJaseOo]

we got swd its just abit harder and yeah theres no extender, i cant rlly remember the others

 

[TheLifeRuiner]

porc from france told me that the upair is different also in that each hit of it has more knockback than in ntsc, but i don't see that listed in the pal/ntsc differences

samus *****!

 

[oOJaseOo]

yeah it does i use it for edgeguarders and would be gimpers

mind linking me to the thread with all the differences im a little curious of some things

 

[TheLifeRuiner]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=516492&topic=37242284&page=3

the differences are near the middle

 

[oOJaseOo]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=516492&topic=37242284&page=3

the differences are near the middle

ahh tyvm never thought of looking on gamefaqs

 

[ihavespaceblondes]

Sheik's grab game on Samus vs Samus' grab game on Sheik is a microcosm of the entire Sheik vs Samus matchup.
Sheik has many situations where she is guaranteed a grab, risks very little in terms of punishment by potentially missing a grab, and is guaranteed at least one free hit (or a KO at high %s) to go along with every grab.
Samus has to predict pretty much perfectly to get a grab, puts herself at huge risk if she misses, and is lucky to get a single hit out of it.
Discuss?

 

[Dogysamich]

Don't you get a free chargeshot if you grab sheik? I'da sworn hugs said that a while ago.

 

[ihavespaceblondes]

Yeah, I remember hearing that if you dthrow, WD back, charge shot, you can time it where it will cover all 4 tech options. But I've never been able to do it correctly, and I usually don't have a charge shot when I grab a Sheik at KO%.

 

[Pi]

what do you mean swd is a bit harder in pal...

how much harder can it be than frame perfect input lol

 

[TheLifeRuiner]

it's on frame 41 and frame HAHAHA JUST KIDDING

 

[oOJaseOo]

well i have both pal and ntsc and i can do alot more on ntsc i didnt say it as fact i said it based on personal preference so srry for that ^^

 

[Pi]

well i have both pal and ntsc and i can do alot more on ntsc i didnt say it as fact i said it based on personal preference so srry for that ^^

lol np
unless there are more than 2 frame perfect inputs required
it's gotta be the same difficulty

 

[HugS™]

IHSB, I haven't been able to pull off the timing recently, I think I've been trying to start the wavedash too early to do it correctly.

Either way there is always a guaranteed hit off dthrowing a sheik.

I'm guessing the problem is when they perfectly DI away? A dash attack will always land. You can start it late or early, depending on what you want out of it. I haven't tried combo options out of it. But I'll have some down before pound no doubt.

 

[Radical Reactor]

Sup fellow Sami! I'd like to throw a question into the mix. The question is:

What is Samus' best way to deal with Marth's dash attack?

I've tried several things and there I still haven't really figured it out.

Here's how it goes:

1. Samus Shields: Marth can shield pressure (fair, grab, overb), sets up spacing for combos
2. Samus UpB's out of Shield: Only works if Marth's DA is deep; Marth can (should) adjust spacing
3. Samus spot dodges: Works but it has VERY STRICT timing; almost impractical, but it is possible to utilize
4. Anything else: get hit

It seems like Marth has an answer to every option here. (And yes, I do realize how simple of a scenario this is, but w/e, just answer the ****ing question. ty.)

Any ideas?

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

if spaced well, wavedash out of shield backwards and wait for a response

if not spaced well, the dash attack should have enough lag for a wavedash out of shield to dtilt/jab/ftilt

not sure about the 2nd one though

 

[Radical Reactor]

Not to be a jerk or anything, but only mention things that you have verified yourself as practical. I don't really need help speculating any further. ty.

 

[ihavespaceblondes]

I feel like I've been able to wavedash oos -> ftilt on Marth's dash attack, even when tipped, but I don't know for sure. I've been waiting until I could test it out before posting, but I don't know when I'll get to play someone next... should be some time this week though. I'll definitely find out for sure then.

 

[resTy]

If Marth tips his dash attack on your shield, wait for him to do another move afterwards because Marths almost never grab afterwards, then wavedash back to regain your composure.
If Marth doesn't tip his dash attack on your shield, wavedash towards him and Dsmash/Dtilt/Ftilt.
If you know he's gonna dash attack and he hasn't dash attacked yet, grab or dash attack him XD.

 

[TheLifeRuiner]

or step back slightly and make him realize he was a fool by laughing at him and his missed spaced dash attack

 

[AIDS]

Sup fellow Sami! I'd like to throw a question into the mix. The question is:

What is Samus' best way to deal with Marth's dash attack?

I've tried several things and there I still haven't really figured it out.

Here's how it goes:

1. Samus Shields: Marth can shield pressure (fair, grab, overb), sets up spacing for combos
2. Samus UpB's out of Shield: Only works if Marth's DA is deep; Marth can (should) adjust spacing
3. Samus spot dodges: Works but it has VERY STRICT timing; almost impractical, but it is possible to utilize
4. Anything else: get hit

It seems like Marth has an answer to every option here. (And yes, I do realize how simple of a scenario this is, but w/e, just answer the ****ing question. ty.)

Any ideas?

Wave dash out of shield to Fsmash works, or jump out of shield to arial if your fast.
Also dash attack with marth is garbage, especially vs samus.

 

[Aves]

I hate Sheik, Marth, and Jiggs.

Are there any throw combos that help land a charge shot on Marth? Like upthrow to charge shot on spacies, and sometimes downthrow to charge shot on Jiggs?

 

[resTy]

D-throw -> wavedash back -> Charged shot = If they don't jump and tech instead.
There is no sure deal from a grab -> Charged shot vs. Marth.

 

[Pi]

i think if they DI up/down/not at all you can sh CS them