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Wrong. You can't give a tier list for starcraft not because its perfectly balanced, but because through battlenet patching, Blizzard attempts to keep it balanced.
Oh I'm quite sure I won't stop you, and you'll continue to spawn elitism, and distance people between casual playing and tournament players ( which it looked like Sakurai was against in the first place ) ....I just wanted to show support for no tier listFor the overall conversation...
Stop just attempting to spread the flow of knowledge Maximo, if not here then somewhere else, Brawl is popular enough that it will spawn a tier list, and since the game itself already has the tiers pre-set (based on advantages and disadvantages) you're just attempting to stop the flow of knowledge, and failing.
Laughable really, information age in the US, talk about your doomed endeavors.
That's akin to trying to show support for the wind to stop blowing...Oh I'm quite sure I won't stop you, and you'll continue to spawn elitism, and distance people between casual playing and tournament players ( which it looked like Sakurai was against in the first place ) ....I just wanted to show support for no tier list
YesThis game is diverse, and if there's diversity in a fighting game, there will be tiers.
... because all fighting games (?) are diverse. If all the movesets are the same, then there are no tier lists, either.Yes
Isn't there a tier list for just about every single popular fighting game ever made? Hmmm....
There are tiers in Starcraft, balanced as it is.Wrong. You can't give a tier list for starcraft not because its perfectly balanced, but because through battlenet patching, Blizzard attempts to keep it balanced.
Consider audience? I'm sorry, but you can't really do that. Let's say that technically Bowser can pwn Ike on the tiers. If it's technically true, there shouldn't be any entity that can effect that; it's been programmed into the game.Make a tier list all you want, but put some consideration into your audience, especially if your word pulls a lot of weight in the community. It'll never happen, though. The same thing will happen to Brawl that happened to Melee; people will only play what SWF deems the best characters and leave the rest to die, even if Brawl turns out to be more balanced and tiers less important. I don't know about you, but that's what makes me not want to get competitive. The need to be right, blind following, and tempers are a total turn-off.
Maybe it is xelados. Maybe there are alot of people who's lives are pretty ****ty right now, and the only small place for their escape is a video-game. Maybe winning, in that stupid game, is the only place they ever win. Alot of people win to win, not embarass. You are being arrogant.I think the idea of winning at all costs is a sign of an inferiority complex, what with all the trash talking, personal challenges, and other behavior.
... which has already been stated numerous times.Fighting games have tiers.
Huh? Did i miss something? I didn't see anyone talking about recovering.Also, your theory makes no sense. There should be no tier list in Brawl because it is easy to recover?? Then obviously it will be based on other things. While we're at it, lets just get rid of any tier lists for Street Fighter games, Guilty Gear, etc. because you can't recover.
he's referring to the original poster.... which has already been stated numerous times.
Huh? Did i miss something? I didn't see anyone talking about recovering.
A lost my Serlin's link. Mind feeding it to me?has anyone here read any of serlin's article's on playing to win? I believe that they would describe maximo as a scrub, and a vocal one at that.
*digs up link to "importance of tiers" article*
I do agree that Brawl seems to be more diversified. But that doesn't mean that its perfectly balanced. Keeping a character from recovering is something people do to win. Why let your opponent recover? Do you think its honorable? That its cheap if you prevent them from living?
from "introducing the scrub" article... the two quotes are similar, ne?serlin said:In Street Fighter, the scrub labels a wide variety of tactics and situations “cheap.” This “cheapness” is truly the mantra of the scrub. Performing a throw on someone is often called cheap.
These rules can be staggeringly arbitrary. If you beat a scrub by throwing projectile attacks at him, keeping your distance and preventing him from getting near you—that’s cheap. If you throw him repeatedly, that’s cheap, too. We’ve covered that one. If you block for fifty seconds doing no moves, that’s cheap. Nearly anything you do that ends up making you win is a prime candidate for being called cheap.
Lol yea I read that six or so months back. Its true no matter how you look at it. I used to regard Edge guarding as cheap when I was a scrub but when I started playing better and learning the competitive tactics I ditched my old views and started playing to win.from "introducing the scrub" article... the two quotes are similar, ne?
I don't hate you for the advice, I hate you for being an assuming douchebag.And to Maximum, your argument is that you don't want to fight a billion Ike's whenever you play someone? That people will just do whatever Smashboards dictates? I have some things to say; hate me as you will:
Uh....Girlfriend, Roomate, Cousin, and about 10 friends who ALL PLAY BRAWL. I'm covered thanks.Make friends: Playing Brawl with friends you know and trust makes things alot of fun.
Uh...I don't care about the tier list itself. I care about going to a con, sitting down to play VS some people, and EACH TIME I fight the same 3 characters. I won't complain to them, but I'll roll my eyes when I fight Lucas VS. 3 Falcos.Play for fun: Don't follow the tiers if you aren't comfortable with it. When you aren't playing competatively (with friends), no one really cares WHAT character you're choosing.
Oh I know, and so far I'm like 18/20 wins with Lucas, but I am kind of tired of people picking final destination, not because its boring per say, but I enjoy the excitement and music of other levels.When playing online: NOTHING matters. Stats aren't tracked and your name isn't shown. So you got pwned over and over by an Ike... Go play with your friends!
When I go to a tourny I fully expect tierism, and final destination, and the same 3 characters over and over...That's fine its a tournament and people play to win. I'm 100% okay with that....but when it spills over online, and in my casual play it limits the chances I have to play all characters in an epic human to human battle.Don't go to tourneys: And I'd say that tourneys are pretty much the only place where people REALLY consider tiers.
Sure, I know we do that too. But we really roll our eyes when we go to a casual gig and people are playing like its a tournament. I saw this dude getting his *** BEAT as marth, at a casual thing, and he was throwing his controller and grunting and ****. He also wasn't giving anyone a turn so I had to tell him to get out of line....Those are the kind of people that don't need tierlists, because they take it way too seriously.I just don't get it. All of my friends who play Smash are QUITE aware of the tiers, but you know, we always switch it up when we play. We get some Bowser, some Roy, sure a Marth here, a Fox there, Mario, whoever. We don't care, we're not at a tourney, we just want to have some fun. That's how you play Smash, I don't know how making a tier list for competative tourneys contemplates your ability to play the game.
I got that part, I already did that with Melee....Just soooooooo tired of fighting Fox, Falco, and Marth over and over and over at CASUAL battles. It's annoying.If you want to be competative, go to a tourney. If you don't, play with your friends. It's really that simple. The only problem that could possibly exist in this argument is that you don't have friends. It's like with anything. If you play soccer with friends, do people REALLY care about what the score is? Are there THOUSANDS of people watching? Is it all over the TV, papers, and internet? No, it's not competative. There are players who are much better than others, and they play to win. Does that effect people who play soccer for fun? No... why are people making this an issue here?
See? Assuming douchebag. I played Ness in tournaments for fun. And I have STILL no idea where he is on the tier list. I just don't care. And its not ruining anything. I just don't think people should bother making a tierlist, especcially because of how inaccurate it will be for a LONG TIME, and the fact that tierlists are comming out when the game was just released is proof of how people take somthing so seriously.And there are people who take their Roy to tournaments, becasue they like how manly Roy is over Marth. Are you not confident/proud enough of yourself and character to just use whoever YOU want? Why are you letting an internet forum ruin things for you? Why is anyone?
Wrong. I can school alot of players who play marth/falco with ness....I'm still ****ing bored of fighting Falco and Marth in non tournament settings.I feel many don't have the right mindset. It looks like this is just people getting mad at tiers, instead of blaming their inability to be good at the game.
People forget that the purpose of smashboards mostly for the competative community.
Stop trolling.Stuff
Anything is competitive, you don't actually have to make a tierlist for it. :\hmm.
people think there shouldnt be a tier list for brawl.
but people say brawl is competitive.
OBJECTION!!! XD
Trolling is just posting in trying to get someones goat, without adding to discussion. I'm actually discussing, please know what a troll is before you call some one that.Stop trolling.
I'd trust their relivance, it's the fact that Brawl is balanced enough where it shouldn't matter that makes me laugh. Character should be choice.When have tier lists been relevant for any fighting game?
Lets play Sonic3K multiplayerAnything is competitive, you don't actually have to make a tierlist for it. :\