this is absolutely not a troll topic! the reason im starting this thread is that jugding from the apex results jigglypuff still seems like a broken char for me. i will explain my theory in depth
first of all, rest is an overkill. in the whole game there is not even a single move that is comparable to rest. characters like ganondorf need to charge their punch for 3 seconds to be at an even knockback and jiggs does it at the first frame. in the current metagame it is also not possible to miss a rest since you can get a 100% set-up for it everytime and if the opponent has already like 50% a star k.o. is guaranteed regardless of the di. also in brawl the rest got very nerfed. it doesnt kill any longer and a flower grows on the opponent. whereas other moves didnt get nerfed. fox upsmash is still pretty strong in brawl and ikes neutral b even got stronger than in melee. i think this demonstrates pretty well that jigglypuff is broken when its obviously the only char that got limited.
secondly, jigglypuff is more like the metaknight of melee. the design is pretty similar, both are small, hard to hit and are sort of balloons. jigglypuffs sword is here the backair and it has zero lag as well, you dont even need l cancel. jigglypuff can recover as well as metaknight and can edgeguard even better. whenever someone is offstage you have a 100% coverage. now you think "but hungrybox doesnt get every edgeguard". you know what? hungrybox is really bad at edgeguarding. he covers like 30% but you can actually cover 99.7% with jiggs. (yeah i said 100% but i rounded up to add a bit more drama) the actual 0.3% include the phantom hits by the way.
jiggs doesnt have any bad matchups. his worst is young link which is 55:45 for jiggs. also you will say now that if jiggs was that good why didnt she had more placings at apex? well that is easy to explain: there are no jiggs players. hungrybox is pretty much the only one that is decent. there are some mediocre jiggs like darc but you can count them out of the statistic. darc covers his edgeguard like 11% and only has a 54% rest set-up which is really bad for a jiggs. and why are there no jiggs? because nobody likes to play gay and wacky chars. and hungrybox is actually on overtriforces level or a bit below. this indicates of how much push jigglypuff can give you as a player, very similar to metaknight. thats why im concerned and why i create this topic. to me jigglypuff is the metaknight of melee and should be banned. what do you think?
by the way only (serious posts) here please, dont want anyone to troll here.
first of all, rest is an overkill. in the whole game there is not even a single move that is comparable to rest. characters like ganondorf need to charge their punch for 3 seconds to be at an even knockback and jiggs does it at the first frame. in the current metagame it is also not possible to miss a rest since you can get a 100% set-up for it everytime and if the opponent has already like 50% a star k.o. is guaranteed regardless of the di. also in brawl the rest got very nerfed. it doesnt kill any longer and a flower grows on the opponent. whereas other moves didnt get nerfed. fox upsmash is still pretty strong in brawl and ikes neutral b even got stronger than in melee. i think this demonstrates pretty well that jigglypuff is broken when its obviously the only char that got limited.
secondly, jigglypuff is more like the metaknight of melee. the design is pretty similar, both are small, hard to hit and are sort of balloons. jigglypuffs sword is here the backair and it has zero lag as well, you dont even need l cancel. jigglypuff can recover as well as metaknight and can edgeguard even better. whenever someone is offstage you have a 100% coverage. now you think "but hungrybox doesnt get every edgeguard". you know what? hungrybox is really bad at edgeguarding. he covers like 30% but you can actually cover 99.7% with jiggs. (yeah i said 100% but i rounded up to add a bit more drama) the actual 0.3% include the phantom hits by the way.
jiggs doesnt have any bad matchups. his worst is young link which is 55:45 for jiggs. also you will say now that if jiggs was that good why didnt she had more placings at apex? well that is easy to explain: there are no jiggs players. hungrybox is pretty much the only one that is decent. there are some mediocre jiggs like darc but you can count them out of the statistic. darc covers his edgeguard like 11% and only has a 54% rest set-up which is really bad for a jiggs. and why are there no jiggs? because nobody likes to play gay and wacky chars. and hungrybox is actually on overtriforces level or a bit below. this indicates of how much push jigglypuff can give you as a player, very similar to metaknight. thats why im concerned and why i create this topic. to me jigglypuff is the metaknight of melee and should be banned. what do you think?
by the way only (serious posts) here please, dont want anyone to troll here.
