Why is Mario so bad?

[Nigerian Star Storm]

Considering he's nintendo's mascot and all, I honestly expected to be better.




What I'm really asking is, what MAKES him so bad?

 

[DraginHikari]

Mario is one of those characters who appears to be average. The problem with average is even though your not necessarily horrible at things., you aren't best at anything either.

 

[Crazy_mofo213]

He's not bad if you learn how to fight and combo with him
Ohh yeah what do you mean by "bad"

 

[Nigerian Star Storm]

I'm constantly seeing him low in most Tier lists (including mine) His KO potential seems below average, Specials are weak, tilts are meh, Only smash that really kills is Fsmash and that is at like 120-130%, Bair and Dair good for approching, but other than that he seems just.....bad compared to everyone else.

 

[CriticalHit]

haha why does mario suck? good question... yea i agree if your a character in SSBB, you better have something that stands out, some high priority moves or fast moves or something because a simple projectile, a cape, a water pump thingy isn't gonna cut it.

The real question is... why does nintendo make all the characters everyone is familiar with suck? I mean c'mon Mario, Yoshi, Link? I thought samus was good in SSBM but not anymore.

 

[NoVaLombardia]

he has no lag on ANY of his aerials.... he can't be a BAD character, unless his priority is insanely low.

 

[Uncle Fitzy]

It seems that Mario is mid-tier with players who know how to use him. There are character he absolutely demolishes and those that demolish him.

 

[storm92]

He's a jack of all trades but a king of none.

Average char is average.
He's not bad, just very lackluster.

 

[Boxob]

Play my Mario and then tell me he's bad.

 

[Kruton]

he has no lag on ANY of his aerials.... he can't be a BAD character, unless his priority is insanely low.

Uh...fair & dair?

 

[Uncle Fitzy]

Uh...fair & dair?

Thats true. People underestimate the spamming of the dair though.

 

[Eriko]

You can autocancel his dair.

 

[East]

Technically, shouldn't this be in the Mario topic under Brawl Character Discussion?

 

[Kensei]

Marios recovery is pretty poor compared to the likes of ROB...

 

[Taymond]

The fact that he's a staple character almost guarantees his mediocrity, actually. In all of Mario's non-platformer games, he's a jack-of-all-trades type of character who is well balanced, at best, but excels at nothing. It's often easier to overcome disadvantages in a character than it is to create advantages that don't already exist. Characters that really shine are those with clear, gaping advantages and disadvantages. Advantages can be exploited and disadvantages can be reduced as much as possible.

Though Mario lacks glaring disadvantages, as an ever-average character in Nintendo's non-platformers, he has few advantages that can be capitalized on. Furthermore, in Brawl, the defensive game rules, and it's much easier for a player to be defensive than it is to be strictly offensive. So while almost any character gains immediate and superb defense capabilities, based on Brawl's game engine alone, only those with specific advantages (coupled of course, with disadvantages that impact the game less) are able to pull away from the crowd. Mario's lack of disadvantages is far less noteworthy than his lack of advantages.

 

[???????]

What you say is true but you seem to misconstrue the term "All-around" with "average"; Mario has above average in nearly all his statistics making Mario highly versatile. It is true that Mario lacks any immediate advantages but the fact that Mario has virtually no true weaknesses of his own allows him to focus on exploiting the weaknesses of others. Mario is difficult to be played effectively since you must both capitalize on your opponent’s weakness and any advantages that Mario already has. Overall, Mario’s incredible versatility is both Mario’s weakness and his greatest weapon.

A few notes on Mario:

*Decent KO power with smashes*

*Powerful edgeguarding game; one of the best edgeguarders in the game*

*Decent recovery coupled a few techniques that prevent him from being easily edgeguarded*

*Freedom of approach; this is one of the most important qualities of Mario, he can approach safely in virtually any manner*

*Good juggler with fairly quick attacks*

*Lacks range; low range tilts and grabs are Mario’s biggest fallacies*

*I have been heavily experimenting with Mario with many successful and helpful findings, and can give a more descriptive analysis if you like and will try to answer any questions you have; I try to not be bias*

*I feel that Mario is High-tier because of his potential at high-level play where all factors come into play*

*I apologize if anything that I have said is interpreted as offensive, false, or bias*

 

[hippochinfat!!]

His recovery is fine.

This is Brawl. He can float back to the stage.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Mario isn't bad. He's actually good quite srsly.

He's AMAZING at ledgeguarding. He also has a good projectile, and a super super fast air game. Mario actually fits under the fast but weak type of character archetype if you ask me. His main weaknesses this time around are still range and KO power, and those weaknesses are less severe in Brawl.

The most important thing is that he's one of the best ledgeguarders in Brawl.

Mario also has an infinite. M2K said so. HIGH TIER PLS.

 

[IceEmblem]

I guess it's coz people got bored of him, no one really plays mario, so they just didn't even bother improving him.
Also mario gets the spotlight enough it is time for characters with less then 4 games to shine, like pit and ice climbers.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Yeah, but the problem is that this makes Mario UNDERRATED in the competitive scene when he's a completely unique character that is legitimately good. I mean seriously, where is the respect for him? He's the number one coolest video game character that nobody ever uses competitively.

I happen to main Mario (along with Mr. Game and Watch) btw.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Mario has a decent number of ways to KO his foes. Plus, he can set up combos pretty well too. His only drawback is his recovery.

 

[A2ZOMG]

No, Mario's recovery is actually good in Brawl. The floaty physics make it easier to throw Fireballs, and his Up-B is one of the better ones for either grabbing the ledge or landing on stage.

 

[katanagash]

Who the heck would start a topic just to say that Mario is bad? First of all, he's not bad at all. Second this thread should be in the Character Discussion for Mario specifically.

 

[Daichi]

BLASPHEMY!!!

Lol, Mario's not bad. It's just that hes not good either. He's average, your typical middle guy. Not bad at everything but not amazing either. And honestly, in brawl, nobody is bad as long as you use them right.