Will Immortallity Be Achieved by Man?

Resting_Fox · Jun 14, 2002

Since the beginning of history man has tried to prevent his own death. In most cases we only reschedule our deaths to a leter time. but with mankinds technoligy Immortallity might not just be a dream or fiction. Immortallity may be a Reality (sorry). Scientists have developed a way to use stem cells to recover people and bring them to a healthy state. Cloning has been done and may be done on humans. These are all things that could factor into the everlasting life of a human being.

I believe that immortallity is not too far out, in fact i wouldn't mind haveing a chance to work on finding a way for it. I say immortallity is possible or better spoken, Immortallity is likely to be. Think of what the world would be like of Einstein was still alive. or the other brilliant minds of history. I approve of immortallity if the right precautions are taken.

Do you belive immortality will happen? and do you approve or dissapprove of man's eternal life?

[ June 14, 2002, 04:21 AM: Message edited by: Resting_Fox ]

Yoshi-lord · Jun 14, 2002

I don't think immortality is really worth having if your not very smart or talented. What normal person would want to see the whole world crumble and die while they live to see it all through some drugs? Only the smart and talented should be alowed to live longer than physicaly so that they can help others become smarter. I'm not sure if immortality will be aalable in the shops, I would rather buy some reality than cheat death out of another victim.

Arkane · Jun 14, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Yoshi-lord:
I don't think immortality is really worth having if your not very smart or talented. What normal person would want to see the whole world crumble and die while they live to see it all through some drugs?<hr /></blockquote>Well, they could shoot themselves.

PD King · Jun 14, 2002

immmortality would be good for a few years until every1 u knew died, but if they all had immortality it would be just as boring think about it in a few thousand years the earth is gonna collide with somethin and then we will be in space for an endless amount of time slowly drifting away from every1 and u cant hear eachother in space so i wouldnt want it.

Crono · Jun 14, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MGS_Foxhound:
immmortality would be good for a few years until every1 u knew died, but if they all had immortality it would be just as boring think about it in a few thousand years the earth is gonna collide with somethin and then we will be in space for an endless amount of time slowly drifting away from every1 and u cant hear eachother in space so i wouldnt want it.<hr /></blockquote>Actually, the Milky Way will collide with the Galazy of Andromeda in roughly 4 billion years, not a few thousand. And the Earth would still have an atmosphere; it would just be frozen solid (yes, the atmosphere would be frozen solid).

What is the definition for immortality? It means "not subject to death." But, how can that work? What if the person's body is crushed under a 20,000 ton slab of concrete? In this case, the immortal would be mortal. Immortality is a myth. Mortality is defined as "subject to death," it doesn't say dying is certain, just that it is possible and likely.

Even this person who has the capabilities of living forever can die, and thus is mortal.

Living flesh cannot be sustained for eternity.

[ June 14, 2002, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: Crono ]

Gamer4Fire · Jun 14, 2002

Immortality can not be achieved in this day due to the fact that there are too many religious zealots that would destroy the world, "for god," because man was, "not meant for immortality."

Confuzor · Jun 14, 2002

Not that I really enjoyed the book too much, but you guys ever read "Tuck Everlasting" ? It gives you some examples as to why living forever would suck.

Bumble Bee Tuna · Jun 14, 2002

Immortality will never happen. The capacity to never get sick might. The ability to move one's consciousness onto a computer? maybe. but there are still events that would make you die. the slab of concrete mentioned earlier. 'Course, if we were all immortal, overpopulation would come. Oops. Never mind that any research which might lead to immortality would probably have the religious zealots on its *** , impeding progress like they do best.

Eternal life would suck, most likely, but immortality, until you wanted to die? what's wrong with that? that's what we're discussing here. You live as long as you want, you get sick of life, you die. Where's the problem? (Eliminating overpopulation and imagining that you were one of few people on the planet or something)

-B

Game & Watch · Jun 14, 2002

I really don't think it's a good idea. You are made to live and die at sertain points. Becoming immortal would just destory that. Death is unavoidable and I really doubt that they will make something to keep you from ever dying. If you were immortal, it would suck even more because if you can't die, then if you were in such massive pain, you would have to live with it. If your in a fire, you would have to stay there untill someone finds you and when they do you have to live the rest of your life and then some. Known fact - We have a intermediate sun which has a life span of 10 billion years, approx. 4.6 billions years have past. If your immortal, and your around when the sun goes out, you going to have to live the rest of your life in a soild ice qube.

-G&W

t^grun · Jun 14, 2002

I have lived with the philosophy that all that begins, eventually ends. Immortality, if achevied, would be incredibly expensive even with all of the stem cell research and so on. We would still have to buy new organs and it would take time to grow them. You can't just take anyone's stem cell and clone it, the body might reject the organ. The brian will also eventually go bad and from what we know there is no way to transplant a brain and without a brain we die. Plus i dont really know anyone who would want to live for all eternity. The body would still wear out and age. By the time you were about a seven hundred years old you would be so stricken with arthritis that moving would be a thing of the past. Stem cells wont be able to cure arthritis because there is no certain organ that it efects. It effects everything. So, in other words, i don't beleive immortality will ever be acheived.

Gamer4Fire · Jun 14, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Game & Watch:
I really don't think it's a good idea. You are made to live and die at sertain points.<hr /></blockquote>The average age of death for homosapien used to be thirty five. Through medicine and technology we have increased the age to seventy five. That kind of blows your certain point theory out of the water.

Confuzor · Jun 14, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Eternal life would suck, most likely, but immortality, until you wanted to die? what's wrong with that? that's what we're discussing here. You live as long as you want, you get sick of life, you die. Where's the problem? (Eliminating overpopulation and imagining that you were one of few people on the planet or something) <hr /></blockquote>It's not much different from suicide, is it then? Most people, if not, ALL people suicide for the reason that they're sick of life - I think society considers that a VERY BIG problem today. The only difference with this kind of "being sick with life" is that you don't actually hate life, you just become bored of it. Something about it still doesn't feel right to me.

I stated this in a previous post:

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> You guys read that book series "His Dark Materials"? In the last book. (Amber Spyglass), there's this small race that help out the characters. Their death comes when they are at their physically best. <hr /></blockquote>I think this would be the coolest way to die; not avoiding death, but to avoid the decay of aging.

[ June 14, 2002, 09:58 PM: Message edited by: Confuzor ]

dejavu3k · Jun 14, 2002

Immortality will never be achieved by man....you could always kill him/her with a weapon....maybe the capacity for being immune to every sickness might be a very vague possibility for human kind, but immortality...no....unless someone found a way to regenerate from just one cell in his/her body....and even then, you are not yet immortal...so I say immortality is impossible to achieve...

Super Mecha Yoshi · Jun 15, 2002

If you guys want to live for a real long time, then go to the Japanese island of Okinawa. A study last year showed the people there had the longest lifespans. But they achieved that by doing activities that we could do at home like eating a well balanced diet that didn't include McDonald's or Subway, gardening,and lengthy periods of simple exercises like stretching and stuff that was supposed to calm them and etc. The oldest man that ever lived was also from another Japanese island. He lived to be 126 years old according to the Guiness Book of World Records. So there is an nontechnological way to living long.

Game & Watch · Jun 15, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gamer4Fire:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Game & Watch:
I really don't think it's a good idea. You are made to live and die at sertain points.<hr /></blockquote>The average age of death for homosapien used to be thirty five. Through medicine and technology we have increased the age to seventy five. That kind of blows your certain point theory out of the water.<hr /></blockquote>That's true. But your suppost to live and die at specific points in your life. Although technonlogy is advancing I have no problems with me living till I'm 75+ because that's not for eternity. Also, how do you figure that they're going to create something that will let you live forever. Your brain cells die every single die and (I don't think) there is a way to get them back.

fractic · Jun 15, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Crono:
Actually, the Milky Way will collide with the Galazy of Andromeda in roughly 4 billion years, not a few thousand. And the Earth would still have an atmosphere; it would just be frozen solid (yes, the atmosphere would be frozen solid).
.<hr /></blockquote>Yes it will colid but there is a 99.99% chance the entire solar system will survive. There are billions of stars in The Milky Way and Andromeda but the distances between stars are huge. of the 10+ billion only a few 100-1000 will colide.

Back to immortallity. Modern science is advanced so far they can make humans live for roughly 250 years. With ease. Every human DNA-string containes something witch causes aging. About 80-90% of this part is found. By removing it people would no longer age. This won't result in immortallity because it wouldn't be very usefull to have a world full of babys that won't age. What can be done is making age very slow. in 100-300 years they can make people live about 750 years.

But they won't altering the human gens is still forbidden.

PD King · Jun 15, 2002

this is similar to the concrete bit but what would happen if u were cut up into millimeteres squared, would u see? would u taste? u wouldnt be able to think or move coz ur brain is in thousnads of pieces

B0r3d*m Alien · Jun 15, 2002

I believe eternal life would suck. Why live forever? There is no reason to live so long. I really don't have much to contribute in this topic, just the fact that I think immortallity would suck.

firaga01 · Jun 15, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by fractic:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Crono:
Actually, the Milky Way will collide with the Galazy of Andromeda in roughly 4 billion years, not a few thousand. And the Earth would still have an atmosphere; it would just be frozen solid (yes, the atmosphere would be frozen solid).
.<hr /></blockquote>Yes it will colid but there is a 99.99% chance the entire solar system will survive. There are billions of stars in The Milky Way and Andromeda but the distances between stars are huge. of the 10+ billion only a few 100-1000 will colide.

Back to immortallity. Modern science is advanced so far they can make humans live for roughly 250 years. With ease. Every human DNA-string containes something witch causes aging. About 80-90% of this part is found. By removing it people would no longer age. This won't result in immortallity because it wouldn't be very usefull to have a world full of babys that won't age. What can be done is making age very slow. in 100-300 years they can make people live about 750 years.

But they won't altering the human gens is still forbidden.<hr /></blockquote>This is absolutely true. Scientists have isolated an enigma within the DNA-structure that causes it to slowly break apart. Thus causes aging. This is also the reason that clones cannot live long; the DNA strand has been deteriorating even before the clone was born.

Getting back to the aging, if scientists could remove this enzyme-catalyst, immortality would indeed be achieved (As long as you don't kill yourself or take drugs or any of the normal stuff that contributes to death). The body is made to function for VERY long periods. the record is still going to how far a human may last if certain conditions are met.

In order to avoid being in the body of an infant for eternity, scientists could simply perform the removal of the catalyst at a later stage of life [obviously after teenage years(who wants to be stuck as a teen forever?)] if permissible.

In theory, this is perfectly plausible. But, how will reality twist this theory? For example, what if in removing the catalyst, we simply speed up the process of aging instead of stopping it?

Also, don't worry about Andromed crashing into the Milky Way, no one's gonna be around to feel the blast if it comes at any rate (remember, our solar system is on the OUTER edge of the Milky Way, on the ring of Orion). NASA has confrimed a report that says they have found an asteroid of about the same dimensions of a mountain that will bring our apocalypse in 734 years. No need to wait 4 billion years to die!

And if the asteroid doesn't kill us, the sun dying out and its nova will kill us in 1 to 2 million years.

[ June 15, 2002, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: firaga01 ]

Crono · Jun 15, 2002

Off topic, but I have to clear this up:

Milky Way and Andromeda. They will pass through each other in 4 to 5 billion years. The gravity of each will cause them to distort within each other and appear to be a mutated spiral galaxy. The Earth will either be hurled into the immense black hole at the center of either galaxy, or it will be flung out into the cold, empty void of space.

That doomsday asteroid will arrive in 834 years, not 734. Only 10% of the sky has been surveyed, so there could be hundreds of these apocalyptic asteroids spiralling ominously towards us. And within 800 years I'm certain we'll have the technology to divert the course of the asteroid away from us. "No worries, mate!" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

The sun's hydrogen fuel will be entirely depleted in roughly 4 to 5 billion years (not 1 to 2 million) and will become a red giant. It will engulf the inner planets. The sun is not massive enough to go out in a supernova. It will then contract from the red giant into a white dwarf. When all the fuel of the white dwarf is gone, you have a black dwarf--a dead star composed of the solid elements left as a result of fusion.

The Earth will ultimately either vaporize or freeze, depending on which cosmic event occurs first.

firaga01 · Jun 15, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Crono:
Off topic, but I have to clear this up:

Milky Way and Andromeda. They will pass through each other in 4 to 5 billion years. The gravity of each will cause them to distort within each other and appear to be a mutated spiral galaxy. The Earth will either be hurled into the immense black hole at the center of either galaxy, or it will be flung out into the cold, empty void of space.

That doomsday asteroid will arrive in 834 years, not 734. Only 10% of the sky has been surveyed, so there could be hundreds of these apocalyptic asteroids spiralling ominously towards us. And within 800 years I'm certain we'll have the technology to divert the course of the asteroid away from us. "No worries, mate!" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

The sun's hydrogen fuel will be entirely depleted in roughly 4 to 5 billion years (not 1 to 2 million) and will become a red giant. It will engulf the inner planets. The sun is not massive enough to go out in a supernova. It will then contract from the red giant into a white dwarf. When all the fuel of the white dwarf is gone, you have a black dwarf--a dead star composed of the solid elements left as a result of fusion.

The Earth will ultimately either vaporize or freeze, depending on which cosmic event occurs first.<hr /></blockquote>Ok, number one: the Sun has about 1 to 2 million years of life left due to heavier elements fusing within the sun. Sure, it indeed DOES have the capacity to live another couple billion years, but it wont due to its immense mass.

Also, I never said the sun would go Supernova; its wwwaaayyyy too small. Beutlegeuse, on the other hand, WILL go supernova. And our sun WILL NEVER engulf the inner planets. Again, its too small. Also, our sun WILL NOT be a white dwarf because it is again TOO SMALL.it is even TOO SMALL to be a red giant Do you think our sun is a really big star? BBBBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPP!! Incorrect.

And, as to your theory with Andromeda and the Mily Way coliding, I believe it to be partly true. I do not believe that the earth can be flung so many light-years out of orbit, even if under such immense power. I believe the earth might shatter because of other planets that might bump into it. Either way, as you said, were screwed.

And it indeed IS 734, not 834. I checked the NASA website, but found nothing. just say the URL of this metoer's doomsday collison and ill be satisfied.

Also, we DO have the technology to take out or at least deflect(slightly enough to save Earth)that meteor, it's the quota of One megaton of nuclear energy per 13 kilometers the meteor has.Of course, in 700-800 years, we might have better technology in order to do this more efficiently. that is to say that we don't kill ourselves by skin cancer, overpopulation, or by terra's ecosystem crashing due to deforestation!

[ June 15, 2002, 11:37 PM: Message edited by: firaga01 ]

Crono · Jun 16, 2002

Ok, number one: the Sun has about 1 to 2 million years of life left due to heavier elements fusing within the sun.

You are so misinformed. I have no clue where you heard that the sun will die in 1 to 2 million years, but check everywhere else and it will say 4 billion.

Sure, it indeed DOES have the capacity to live another couple billion years, but it wont due to its immense mass.

This statement does not make sense at all. If the sun has the capacity to live another few billion years, then it will use that capacity.

Also, I never said the sun would go Supernova; its wwwaaayyyy too small.

But you just said it has an immense mass.

Beutlegeuse, on the other hand, WILL go supernova.

Betelguese is a red supergiant, and I'm pretty sure it is 400 million times the mass of the sun. Betelguese has enough mass to go supernova, and it will become a neutron star. Stars can get even more massive than this. Only the most massive become black holes.

And our sun WILL NEVER engulf the inner planets. Again, its too small.

The sun's mass dictates it will eventually expand into a red giant, not supergiant. The diameter of a red giant is enough to engulf the orbits of Mercury, Venus, and Earth, but the immense heat will still vaporize Mars.

Also, our sun WILL NOT be a white dwarf because it is again TOO SMALL.it is even TOO SMALL to be a red giant Do you think our sun is a really big star? BBBBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPP!! Incorrect.

Are you aware that a white dwarf is no bigger than the Earth? No, you aren't, obviously. Of course I do not think the sun is a large star. It is actually closer to a yellow dwarf than anything. Nonetheless, it IS massive enough to become a red giant. I am thinking you are mixing neutron stars with white dwarfs and giants with supergiants. You are entirely misinformed on the astrophysics involved here. Take it from me, firaga, I've been studying astronomy for as long as I can remember (about 12 years), and I will be an astrophysicist.

Hey hey! Post #300

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firaga01 · Jun 16, 2002

my gosh, r u hearing yourself?

#1 The immense mass i was talking about was a by-product within a couple million yrs. IT IS STILL NOT ENOUGH TO CAUSE THE SUN TO GO ANYTHING MORE THAN NOVA. OUR SUN WILL CERTAINLY NEVER BE A DWARF. ONLY SUPERGIANTS CAN BECOME BLACK HOLES OR WHITE DWARFS, which our sun is not a contestant of.

Think, dude, think. Look up these things before you talk. the sun has been up for 5 billion years. Most of its H deposit has been used up. (>70%)

Crono · Jun 16, 2002

A white dwarf is not an extreme occurrence. It is YOU who need to get your facts straight.

You are too thick-headed to accept any of this, and I will not continue to educate you on the matter if you refuse to listen.

This has been off topic long enough, and I will not post anything else concerning stars.

dejavu3k · Jun 16, 2002

Firaga, your an idiot...
first of all, the sun will explode into a nova, which is big enough to destroy of the inner planets, but that is after it swells into a giant star. you obviously have no real knowledge about how big this solar system and the sun are....If the sun were to explode into a supernova, it would take the whole solar system with it...

Also, a white dwarf is what little radiation is left after a nova of a regular sized star, and pretty soon, it turns into a black dwarf which is what is left of the star...

Rune · Jun 16, 2002

Hmmm, how about.. if humans no longer need bodies?
I think I read this stuff someware.

What if humans could survive w/o a body, becoming beings of pure energie. Leaving bodies behind and going on as a soul or ghost.. it migh be possible.

firaga01 · Jun 16, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by dejavu3k:
Firaga, your an idiot...
first of all, the sun will explode into a nova, which is big enough to destroy of the inner planets, but that is after it swells into a giant star. you obviously have no real knowledge about how big this solar system and the sun are....If the sun were to explode into a supernova, it would take the whole solar system with it...

Also, a white dwarf is what little radiation is left after a nova of a regular sized star, and pretty soon, it turns into a black dwarf which is what is left of the star...<hr /></blockquote>I NEVER SAID ANYTHING TO CONTRADICT WHAT UR SAYING. Indeed, a nova (which will indeed be made by our sun) is enough to destroy the inner planets. Crono was saying it would SUCK IN the inner planets. (read his reply: the sun would ENGULF the inner planets.)Obviously, you misunderstood me.

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flyer28 · Jun 16, 2002

I say it won't be achieved. I feel that immortality is fictional. Besides, even if it was real, someone would have to be born with it.

Shamboo · Jun 17, 2002

That's lame. Who would want immortality (sp)?
You'd be able to live through age and eventually end up being REALLY!!! old. And you know what, my grandma is 91 and shes really tired and to live longer than that, you'd just be doing nothing since ur so tired.
So, if man wants immortality, he is a big jack imo.

[ June 17, 2002, 02:25 PM: Message edited by: Shamboo ]

PorCorpWis · Jun 18, 2002

LOL Firaga, you are misunderstanding what the wold "engulf" means. He means that the radius of the red dwarf will be large enough so that it covers earth and inwards.

Any anyway, it makes no sense whatsoever that when Andromeda meshes with this galaxy it will "throw the earth into oblivion." The chances of ANY large mass approaching our solar system enough to exert gravity on anything is astronomical. The size of the solar system is like a... well i dunno but it's really small compared to the space between solar systems. Even if something did get close enough to exert force, it makes no sense that it would only effect the earth. Wouldn't it "fling" a few more things as well?

[ June 18, 2002, 05:57 AM: Message edited by: PorCorpWis ]

PD King · Jun 18, 2002

gee thanks for the lesson fellas, how do u remember this stuff
i find it so boring

Crono · Jun 18, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by PorCorpWis:
LOL Firaga, you are misunderstanding what the wold "engulf" means. He means that the radius of the red dwarf will be large enough so that it covers earth and inwards.

Any anyway, it makes no sense whatsoever that when Andromeda meshes with this galaxy it will "throw the earth into oblivion." The chances of ANY large mass approaching our solar system enough to exert gravity on anything is astronomical. The size of the solar system is like a... well i dunno but it's really small compared to the space between solar systems. Even if something did get close enough to exert force, it makes no sense that it would only effect the earth. Wouldn't it "fling" a few more things as well?<hr /></blockquote>It's actually a red giant, not a red dwarf.

The Andromeda and Milky Way are already in a
"dance of doom." They are slowly but surely revolving around one another due to the gravity they both exert. In time, the diameter of the revolution will shrink until the galaxies mesh. The gravity of those billions of stars will distort both of the galaxies, and thousands if not millions of bodies (the Earth as well as stars and other planets) will be thrown into the gargantuan black holes of either galaxy or into the cold depths of empty space.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MGS_Foxhound:
gee thanks for the lesson fellas, how do u remember this stuff
i find it so boring<hr /></blockquote>Facts that I find interesting are always easy to remember. How can you find astronomy boring? I think space is so beautiful and mysterious... that is the whole reason why I want to make a career out of it.

[ June 18, 2002, 01:01 PM: Message edited by: Crono ]

firaga01 · Jun 18, 2002

if u wanna be an astronomer, go right ahead. i see great potential in u by the way u debate.

i wanted to be an astonomer once. then i decided against it becauz there is not enough information to back up anything in the field. its kinda like theology only u have a lot more facts and know some things beforehand

fractic · Jun 19, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Crono:
Ok, number one: the Sun has about 1 to 2 million years of life left due to heavier elements fusing within the sun.

You are so misinformed. I have no clue where you heard that the sun will die in 1 to 2 million years, but check everywhere else and it will say 4 billion.

indeed 4-5 billions years from now

Sure, it indeed DOES have the capacity to live another couple billion years, but it wont due to its immense mass.

This statement does not make sense at all. If the sun has the capacity to live another few billion years, then it will use that capacity.

yes indeed

Also, I never said the sun would go Supernova; its wwwaaayyyy too small.

But you just said it has an immense mass.

how about comparing an apple with the sun. The sun has great mass but is a smalls star.

Beutlegeuse, on the other hand, WILL go supernova.

Betelguese is a red supergiant, and I'm pretty sure it is 400 million times the mass of the sun. Betelguese has enough mass to go supernova, and it will become a neutron star. Stars can get even more massive than this. Only the most massive become black holes.

400 MILLION??????????? whoaaaaa, that would be 1 million times as heavy as the heavest star found so far. Betelguese has circa 100 times the mass of the sun

And our sun WILL NEVER engulf the inner planets. Again, its too small.

The sun's mass dictates it will eventually expand into a red giant, not supergiant. The diameter of a red giant is enough to engulf the orbits of Mercury, Venus, and Earth, but the immense heat will still vaporize Mars.

There are some hints that the sun might even vaporize the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. And indeed it will become a giant not a supergiant.

Also, our sun WILL NOT be a white dwarf because it is again TOO SMALL.it is even TOO SMALL to be a red giant Do you think our sun is a really big star? BBBBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPP!! Incorrect.

Are you aware that a white dwarf is no bigger than the Earth? No, you aren't, obviously. Of course I do not think the sun is a large star. It is actually closer to a yellow dwarf than anything. Nonetheless, it IS massive enough to become a red giant. I am thinking you are mixing neutron stars with white dwarfs and giants with supergiants. You are entirely misinformed on the astrophysics involved here. Take it from me, firaga, I've been studying astronomy for as long as I can remember (about 12 years), and I will be an astrophysicist.

stars like our sun will turn in to white dwarfs.

Hey hey! Post #300 <hr /></blockquote>i like to do this <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> The Andromeda and Milky Way are already in a
"dance of doom." They are slowly but surely revolving around one another due to the gravity they both exert. In time, the diameter of the revolution will shrink until the galaxies mesh. The gravity of those billions of stars will distort both of the galaxies, and thousands if not millions of bodies (the Earth as well as stars and other planets) will be thrown into the gargantuan black holes of either galaxy or into the cold depths of empty space.
<hr /></blockquote>No that won't happen reasent computer simulations have shown that 99% of the stars and planets will neither fall in to a black hole or be trown in to outer space. Nor will there be much collisions between stars because there is so much space between them.

Other point. Stars don't fall in black holes. It's and extremely slow process in witch stars or nebulas start rotating around the black hole and there will be a stream of gas from the star.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> if u wanna be an astronomer, go right ahead. i see great potential in u by the way u debate. <hr /></blockquote>I'm going to do 2 studies.
First: Math
Second: Astrophisics.
(in this order)

Finally we are all getting off topic. I will open up a new topic to debate abouts things like this.
so come and debate and share info in "sience debates"

Arrow · Jun 19, 2002

HAHAHA!!! Fools! Here you are debating over your pathetic theories while I have already discovered the secret to immortality! After countless hours of research I have uncovered a fool proof method to have eternal life! The secret is: keep breathing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

McFox · Jun 19, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Arrow:
HAHAHA!!! Fools! Here you are debating over your pathetic theories while I have already discovered the secret to immortality! After countless hours of research I have uncovered a fool proof method to have eternal life! The secret is: keep breathing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Eating foods and drinking water every once in a while couldn't hurt either <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

For my on topic post ( :rolleyes:

), I think that while not immortal, humans can live forever in the future. Now, I'm not talking about immortality (i.e.- never dying), but I believe that you wouldn't die by biological means. Weapons and accidents could still kill you, but no people will die of disease or old age, unless they wanted to...

<img border="0" alt="[Oh Well]" title="" src="graemlins/ohwell.gif" /> that's a confusing question.

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Tapion · Jun 20, 2002

I don't see why people would want immortality, other than to escape their fear of death. I find the whole thing kind of silly. And cloning, a clone would be a different person altogeher, unless people begin to understand their 'soul' so to speak.

Resting_Fox · Jun 25, 2002

What you people fail to realize is, with immortal genius thinkers we could
A: move to a new safer planet.
B: Find a way to covert matter and restore the sun, the earth, and other things.

On the topic of the bible zealots, I think god wanted humans to live forever until we were banished from the garden. Why else do we have everlasting life in heaven? duh!

As for super asteroids. We could destroy them 100 years before they even hit us or they might get hit by another moving object and be destroyed anyway. I think the virus known as mankind will destroy earth and find another similar place to go where we will destroy that slowly too.

More possible immortality scenarios.

Tranfering our brains into robot bodies that don't have top breathe, don't have to eat. Will be immune from teperature as long as it's not so hot that wo melt.

If deserving people were immortal (to where we stop aging) and we could die whenever we wanted to where's the negative side?

sum41 · Jun 27, 2002

If it wasn't for disease, insects, weather, and humans, trees would live forever. They are immortal if no outside force causes them to die. They don't wear out over time like humans do. So I say no, immortality will not be ahieved by man.

kirby¹²³ · Jun 28, 2002

If everyone would be immortal, there would be no place to live on at Earth.
IF someone discoveres Immortality I think it would be a Man because they focus on that kind of stuff or it would be a woman because they are most often smarter than men.(Just a thought)

P.S.
I'm a man, just so that you know...
D.S.

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