wolf and the new tier list

[JCav]

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ok guys 22.

you guys know it and i know it. wolf is not the 22nd best character in this game.

in defense of the people who made the list though, i cant blame them because their is less than 5 wolf players who consistantly place, and barely win.

i read somewhere that now wolf is the worst space animal. of course it is debateable but it is just sad to see our character at the place he is.

so what, do you guys think?

i think wolf has the potential to be back to a higher tier spot and its up to us to bring in the results

 

[Seagull Joe]

we need to step it up in tournies.problem tho is wolf is like the easiest character in the game to cg.almost everyone has a cg on him.more laserz to solve the problem.lol

 

[Rawnie]

I was amazed to see that Fox passed him.

 

[Turbo Ether]

I'm not suprised that Fox passed him, actually. I suppose people should compose a list of the characters above Wolf, that they think he's better than, for starters.

 

[castorpollux]

Lol honestly i don't care about wolf's tier placement. It just makes me that much happier when i 3 stock higher tier characters.

 

[Sesshomuronay]

Dang he went down again.

 

[JCav]

Lol honestly i don't care about wolf's tier placement. It just makes me that much happier when i 3 stock higher tier characters.

your just too good...

 

[MidnightAsaph]

You guys act like the tier list actually matters. It's actually opinion. I don't care if the opinion is from elitists, pros, or what not. Humans are biased, prone to mistakes, etc. There's also the problem of popularity. Again, tier list = fail. I'm against tier lists, but I do believe one truly does exist. But our ability to find it as humans is so flawed it's hilarious.

I think Wolf has the ability to make it into B, but that's as far as I'll say he can go.

As for how Wolf will rise, it's up to how we practice and how often we go to tourneys. Before we think about Wolf going up, he has to actually place in tourneys. I honestly don't go to tourneys because I'm busy and don't have a job (that'll change this fall, and I'll be showing up for once). I'm not good now, but I know I can change things. But it's up to everyone that cares to get money, get a car, find a tourney and play every single elitist there.

The key is tourneys. Play. Play. Play. Play. Drink a Pepsi. Play. Play. Play.

The fact Wolf went down was not a surprise. For me, personally, the biggest surprise is that he only went down by 2 spots.


But honestly, like Castor said, it doesn't matter. My only Wolf-related goal is to **** everything with him.

 

[hundreds of utilts]

It's not really a big deal. even though I'm a little surprised he's below fox.

Wolf just doesn't have enough representation yet. he's way lower than he should be...

 

[JCav]

thanks for the somewhat flaming and different view than myself, my opinion is changed and my pride for maining wolf will not die

 

[MidnightAsaph]

thanks for the somewhat flaming and different view than myself, my opinion is changed and my pride for maining wolf will not die

Who's that reply to?

 

[JCav]

Who's that reply to?

you and everyone else who posted on this


i thought the tier list was some big thing and it had such a huge impact on everything

and then i realized ive played wolf the whole time so it really doesnt matter what they say about him...

 

[Dv8tor]

Players make characters. Always.

 

[_Kain_]

Like Castor said it makes it that much more sweet when i beat a higher tier character XD Wolf could be last id still use him idc

 

[AlKrauser]

i think its a good think he is so low, so then when you win with him you dont get beef for using him, as opposed to using top tier like MK or Snake

 

[AlKrauser]

well based on matchups, since most of them are near equal, it does make sense that he is at the middle of the list.

 

[Vista]

We get beef for playing Wolf regardless cause all Wolf players just spam and suck at the game duh LOL

 

[Ishiey]

The key is tourneys. Play. Play. Play. Play. Drink a Dr Pepper. Play. Play. Play.

Fixed.

I pretty much agree, but it's just a list, and based off of what they can see in tournaments nobody can say their interpretation isn't justified. Play who you want to play, if you think they are better, prove it to others at tourneys if you're not comfortable with people having different (and somewhat flawed) opinions about your character.

And as Dv8tor said, players are what really influence the community's view on the character.

 

[ScubaF_ingSteve]

You guys act like the tier list actually matters. It's actually opinion. I don't care if the opinion is from elitists, pros, or what not. Humans are biased, prone to mistakes, etc. There's also the problem of popularity. Again, tier list = fail. I'm against tier lists, but I do believe one truly does exist. But our ability to find it as humans is so flawed it's hilarious.

I think Wolf has the ability to make it into B, but that's as far as I'll say he can go.

As for how Wolf will rise, it's up to how we practice and how often we go to tourneys. Before we think about Wolf going up, he has to actually place in tourneys. I honestly don't go to tourneys because I'm busy and don't have a job (that'll change this fall, and I'll be showing up for once). I'm not good now, but I know I can change things. But it's up to everyone that cares to get money, get a car, find a tourney and play every single elitist there.

The key is tourneys. Play. Play. Play. Play. Drink a Pepsi. Play. Play. Play.

The fact Wolf went down was not a surprise. For me, personally, the biggest surprise is that he only went down by 2 spots.


But honestly, like Castor said, it doesn't matter. My only Wolf-related goal is to **** everything with him.

You inspire me!! I'm not going to take this sitting down, it's time to stop lurking, start finding more things about wolf on here, its time to step it up and start going to tourneys and winning consistently. Wolf has so much potential that other people aren't seeing, it's our time to step up and show the world how good wolf can be, sure he's not the best in the game, but he has near neutral match-ups with most of the cast. It's time for us to show them why he is better than C tier!! If we don't do anything now, ****ing Sonic is soon to pass us and we'll be bumped to low tier. Let's do this!!

 

[Captain Sa10]

Tires Don Exit.


Just pwn face with wolf. Tiers are for general information and ranking purposes based on tournament results. They are neither right nor wrong but simply show the more likely placements in tournaments due to frequent placings.

 

[718_ROOKI3]

you guys might know me or not but i'm a fox main prolly considered the best one OFFLINE. and well i just want to let ya'll know that i played wolf on and off since the release of brawl and recently decided to pick him up permenantly to fight Oli (so annoying). and the idea of wolf being that low doesnt make sense either, i won't lie i do occasionally say wolf sux but, he IMO is should be placed no less than mid of mid tier as to my fox i think he should be the very top of mid tier. wolf is awesome regardless

 

[castorpollux]

you guys might know me or not but i'm a fox main prolly considered the best one OFFLINE. and well i just want to let ya'll know that i played wolf on and off since the release of brawl and recently decided to pick him up permenantly to fight Oli (so annoying). and the idea of wolf being that low doesnt make sense either, i won't lie i do occasionally say wolf sux but, he IMO is should be placed no less than mid of mid tier as to my fox i think he should be the very top of mid tier. wolf is awesome regardless

good sht rookie

nice to have another solid player to rep wolf

 

[718_ROOKI3]

good sht rookie

nice to have another solid player to rep wolf

no doubt man, wolf is amazing in the olimar match-up. i cant leave him hanging

 

[mith132]

You guys act like the tier list actually matters. It's actually opinion. I don't care if the opinion is from elitists, pros, or what not. Humans are biased, prone to mistakes, etc. There's also the problem of popularity. Again, tier list = fail. I'm against tier lists, but I do believe one truly does exist. But our ability to find it as humans is so flawed it's hilarious.

I think Wolf has the ability to make it into B, but that's as far as I'll say he can go.

As for how Wolf will rise, it's up to how we practice and how often we go to tourneys. Before we think about Wolf going up, he has to actually place in tourneys. I honestly don't go to tourneys because I'm busy and don't have a job (that'll change this fall, and I'll be showing up for once). I'm not good now, but I know I can change things. But it's up to everyone that cares to get money, get a car, find a tourney and play every single elitist there.

The key is tourneys. Play. Play. Play. Play. Drink a Pepsi. Play. Play. Play.

The fact Wolf went down was not a surprise. For me, personally, the biggest surprise is that he only went down by 2 spots.


But honestly, like Castor said, it doesn't matter. My only Wolf-related goal is to **** everything with him.

I completely agree with you on the tier list. As for playing more, I believe (after watching videos and playing other decent people) that my wolf has tournament potential. The only problem is I don't have a liscense yet, and am unable to attend tourneys. Anyways, I'm not even sure if there are legit tourneys in Oregon. Anyone have a good link to find some?

 

[718_ROOKI3]

just be sure to check these parts of the site, "Tourny Listing" "Tourny Calendar" "Tourny Results" and your Region's Social forums

if there is any smash tourny it will be on this website

 

[-Mars-]

Where's Gheb when I need him? I wish to gloat about Fox if I may? Haha i'm just kidding but I am very surprised that the SBR put Fox above Wolf......although I personally feel it's deserved.

 

[Darxmarth23]

We need Emblem Lord here to tighten the screws in your heads.

The list is ****. Just because its influenced by tourney results. Metagames are only a section of the list.

Its also why falcon went up two and fox did as well.

 

[-Mars-]

Is not the point of the tier list to determine how the characters would stack up in a tournament-setting? If Rookie is performing very well with Fox in one of the toughest smash regions in the country and yet there are no Wolf players doing much of anything then why should Fox not be placed where he is?

I think Wolf is a very limited character and once you understand how to play against him.......he's not hard. Granted tournament results don't show everything but when your character is sevrely underplayed it is for a reason........hence the drop.

 

[Seagull Joe]

im so proud.today i did a quintuple bair on a luigi.5 bairs.so proud i may shed a tear.

 

[Shy Guy 86]

Anyone remember the early days of Brawl when everyone thought Wolf was at the top?

I think Wolf is underplayed because his matchups are average, most of the time 50/50 45/55 60/40 and he is an easy target to CG, if people actually try to find ways to improve him maybe he can go back to his old spot.

 

[BIGM1994]

no doubt man, wolf is amazing in the olimar match-up. i cant leave him hanging

Ughhh no he isnt..

 

[Ishiey]

^ Agreed with BigM... good olimars are no fun

Wolf is a good character, there just hasn't been much development with him after the early stages compared to other characters. If anyone could look into boost grabbing, I think it would be an interesting followup after a dthrow at mid %s.

 

[MidnightAsaph]

^ Agreed with BigM... good olimars are no fun

Wolf is a good character, there just hasn't been much development with him after the early stages compared to other characters. If anyone could look into boost grabbing, I think it would be an interesting followup after a dthrow at mid %s.

While that's a good point, I'm sure ANY opponent that's good isn't easy to play against.

But honestly, I played a good Olimar once, and I spammed laser the entire time. Apparently, he had a problem, because I won.

 

[Vista]

Play Weruop lol

 

[Darxmarth23]

Well, a good player will find a way to bend the metagame into their favor as much as they can.

Olimars can be hard.

 

[MidnightAsaph]

I'm sure they can. I'm just promoting the "be afraid of the player, not the character" kinda idea. But I see the general consensus. Olimar can screw you up, definitely.

 

[Darxmarth23]

I'm sure they can. I'm just promoting the "be afraid of the player, not the character" kinda idea. But I see the general consensus. Olimar can screw you up, definitely.

Yeah, its cool.

I mean, the perfect example was when Ally ***** an MK with Falcon.

But back to wolf, he definitely can go up. And down. Its a race to see whose metagame becomes the best during that period of time. Wolf had an early start with the discoveries of some crucial ledge techniques. Its just that we had to keep up that pace to stay ahead.

Okay, whatever. I'm just weird.

 

[DarkLouis331]

Wolf most definitely is not #22. My Wolf has placed 2nd, 3rd, 5th in tournies, but nowadays my area doesn't have alot of tournies =/

 

[Emo^Wolf]

i think wolf is looked down on alot. but makes it better this should make us want to do bettter, cuz wolf deserves to be higher tier, the only problem is that wolf is too easy to get countered by falco or d3 or mk. alot of wolf user end up having to pick up a secondary to be able to beat those bad counterpick. so i think we just need to keep and try to place higher even if they dont change him the true wolf users know where they stand im i right??????