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staying in that mid range where pit has to relay on close combat, bair combes into stuff, chasing with d throws cause his aireals are pivot grab worhty, a very campy pit is frustratingIma pit main and ill throw some tips out there just cuz im nice. WE CAN GIMP YOU! dont underestimate the power of wing renewal. Those invincibility frames dont last forever, and we can stay in the air, off stage, for a pretty long time. so yea, it can happen. Or sometimes A pit might not even bother to try, and just patiently wait for a kill when you get back
How exactly would u plan to gimp a yoshi offstage as yoshis know thats his super armor is not alway to best way to go and double jump airdodges or rising bairs or upairs are usually a better option. yea like i said waiting on the stage firing arrows will help u more
staying in a pits face is bad if they start spamming jab and doing Jab based combos. so just be ready for a sheild grab if possible.
we can also pivot grab, down b, egg lay. yoshi doesnt really have jab based combos there jab is a more of a "get out of my face" move, a yoshi doesnt want to be too close
A good pit makes arrows your worst nightmare, just be aware. (my aim with them is pretty badass but thats just me). Keep an eye out for a stray arrow, they make openings for combos. I like to fight along side my arrows meaning I attack while my arrow comes in so just watch out. basically, just cuz you see an arrow go bye bye doesnt mean its gone. oh and pits arrows never have a blind spot They're always commin for ya >=P Just kidding, its in a diagonal-up direction for his forhead. but no pit uses arrows that close anyways. No pit really does this, but just to help, dont powershield arrows. we can still control it when it flies off.. be ready for mindgames via arrow.
arrows are a pain=/ i just kinda airdodge my way in, pits arrows are hard to deal with. bair is not always to relable
Glair has decent range and is a combo starter. I dont think yoshi's big head can beat it. Idk.
im pretty sure pivot grab outranges it by alittle, but ur glair is a good attack
Some pits like to space and punish and pits pretty good at that. so figure a way to aproach. using bair to aproach MIGHT work but pits retreating Nair/fair could take it out.
approachin is haarrddd, idk what to say
Pits dtilt has some range on it, not as much as Ftilt, but it still does. Never use a running aproach cuz that one will take out your toes it comes out at a decent speed, not that much lag on it.
i agree, but it kinda hard to approach from the ground cause a lack of consistent powershielding
I've only fought one yoshi and he was pretty good. idk about yoshi egg toss game but maybe it could work? idk.
egg toss will probably be used when u guys are in the air when u short hop or doing the odd up b thingy
watch out for Dthrow>bair/uair, but usually bair since most people think uair is comming. UAIR IS A KILL MOVE! the last hit ***** hard. Dair is like a big crescent blade that chops every thing from left to right/right to left. it can kill, but its unlikely.
if u utilize his kill moves u should have less trouble
Pivot grab on pit? Psh they wont let you they'd just force an approach and try to eliminate that as much as possible.
pivot grabs are move for ur dairs or glide attacks
. . . pit can kill might not be the bair or Fsmash or w/e you're used to, but he can kill. Not super great at it but he can kill. If you just happen to be alive after about 150+% dont get grabbed, cuz that will kill too.
he can kill but its just his kill moves are a lil slow, being able to di out of fsmash helps so we shuold now how to do it. but we also are not consistent at killin until 140%
Anyways thats my two cents.
I'm expecting Metatitan to not respond to this as if it were a personal attack directed at him. Please tell me my expectations are not ill-founded and that if you post anything it will be about the matchup. :Dinb4metatitantrollsme
^ I say this since Metatitan tends to troll me in one way, including bashing me for being a Wifi Pit and that I'm not an Offline person (you don't wanna know). He's gonna find this post sooner or later.
Anyways, hope I helped a bit, and correct me if a few things seem wrong (Not you Meta...).
Name = mindgames
You have my official seal of approval.
I'm expecting Metatitan to not respond to this as if it were a personal attack directed at him. Please tell me my expectations are not ill-founded and that if you post anything it will be about the matchup. :D
Why bring any personal drama into these discussions? You make it seem like you WANT to be trolled lol.^ I say this since Metatitan tends to troll me in one way, including bashing me for being a Wifi Pit and that I'm not an Offline person (you don't wanna know). He's gonna find this post sooner or later.
Anyways, hope I helped a bit, and correct me if a few things seem wrong (Not you Meta...).
Something on the g-air:
Whether Yoshi can beat it with his pivot-grab/up-smash or not depends on the angle Pit is gliding and his distance from Yoshi. Which angles and which distances we should be aware of I'm not sure, but it's usually safer to shield the attack and roll away/spot-dodge once it hits. It's very powerful and can kill Yoshi at around 130%, so it's not usually worth the risk to beat it out.
Imo Pit wins something like 60:40. Yoshi can't out camp him and has to approach for one and tbh Yoshi's approches vs Pit aren't that great. Yoshi kills Pit with Usmash around 130% or so with good DI iirc while Pit should kill Yoshi around 150% with Fsmash. Bair would probably kill around 110-120%. Either way he doesn't live "forever".I also agree on the 50:50 ratio. Pit outcamps us hard, and his arrows are extremely annoying, but Yoshi is able to nicely deal with him up-close, not to mention that if he's careful he'll live FOREVER.
I agree.Pit's Glide Attack has more range than either Yoshi's Usmash or Pivot Grab. If he doesn't space it well it's easy enough to Usmash him though. Shielding it is probably Yoshi's best option like you said. It shouldn't ever kill Yoshi at 130 unless you DI it badly though.
60:40 Pit is too much imo. I personally believe it's 55:45 at worst for Yoshi.Imo Pit wins something like 60:40. Yoshi can't out camp him and has to approach for one and tbh Yoshi's approches vs Pit aren't that great. Yoshi kills Pit with Usmash around 130% or so with good DI iirc while Pit should kill Yoshi around 150% with Fsmash. Bair would probably kill around 110-120%. Either way he doesn't live "forever".
On another note Pit, can gimp Yoshi out of his DJ if he catches him with AR far enough off the stage as AR outlasts the Super Armor on his jump. At that point it more or less depends on if you can get back with his Egg Throw and DI. Just throwing that out there as well
Why? Yoshi doesn't really have much safe ways to rack up damage on Pit and doesn't kill him that much earlier. It also isn't particularly easy for him to land his kill moves in comparison.60:40 Pit is too much imo. I personally believe it's 55:45 at worst for Yoshi.
Sadly, nah I can't make it.True. I guess I feel that way since I have a lot of Pit practice, so the matchup may not look like 60:40 to me.
Ravyn, you going to Gigs this Saturday?