****it people start talking about frame data and reaction speed right after I go to bed.
A couple things Im gonna throw out. Keep in mind shadow could beat ADHD in his prime, so why say that Atomsk/Tyrant/Anti/DSF couldn't do so either. They've all clearly gotten better at the matchup and even if ADHD went back to being as good as he was, Shadow isn't BETTER than those other MKs.
Also Jason, not everyone plays like you. What you don't seem to realize is that you have top 3 reaction speed in the country. A lot of top MKs will simply take a better option. How is it that Ksizzle can beat Ally with the same frequency you do? MK has THAT MANY OPTIONS that skill starts to saturate because just keeping up with everything he can do is difficult for even the best players. The only way for a lot of people to beat top MKs is playing them for an extended amount of time and getting used to their specific habits (and even then they still have a huge pool of options to resort to).
And concerning reaction speed, the same way you have to predict to dashgrab after downtilt, you don't realize that most people CANT REACT TO THAT EITHER. Dtilt dashgrab is really fast. Nobody is going to buffer a spotdodge out of dtilt on reaction, they have to predict it. Even many of the fastest players still mess this up. This game isn't about what you CAN punish it's about what people in general can punish. I'm not saying there arent plenty of players who can and will spotdodge/mix it up with rolling but I'm saying the same assumptions for MK hold true against MK. Also what many MKs will do as a mixup is Dtilt then tornado. Why? Because it's perfectly ****ing safe and beats out the spotdodge. This is why people complain. MK has so many options and you HAVE to predict because even tornado comes out really fast and by then you already would've spotdodged.
You're spending this whole arguement assuming everyone has the same reaction speed that you do.
And concerning the Diddy falling frame tricks, pulling those off is even harder than punishing them, when MK has more options, like tornadoing your landing, shuttle looping you before you fair or airdodge. Nobody is gonna react to those things, thats why most people just airdodge/fair early and hope for the best. That's the kind of thing that's ENTIRELY prediction for most players.
A couple things Im gonna throw out. Keep in mind shadow could beat ADHD in his prime, so why say that Atomsk/Tyrant/Anti/DSF couldn't do so either. They've all clearly gotten better at the matchup and even if ADHD went back to being as good as he was, Shadow isn't BETTER than those other MKs.
Also Jason, not everyone plays like you. What you don't seem to realize is that you have top 3 reaction speed in the country. A lot of top MKs will simply take a better option. How is it that Ksizzle can beat Ally with the same frequency you do? MK has THAT MANY OPTIONS that skill starts to saturate because just keeping up with everything he can do is difficult for even the best players. The only way for a lot of people to beat top MKs is playing them for an extended amount of time and getting used to their specific habits (and even then they still have a huge pool of options to resort to).
And concerning reaction speed, the same way you have to predict to dashgrab after downtilt, you don't realize that most people CANT REACT TO THAT EITHER. Dtilt dashgrab is really fast. Nobody is going to buffer a spotdodge out of dtilt on reaction, they have to predict it. Even many of the fastest players still mess this up. This game isn't about what you CAN punish it's about what people in general can punish. I'm not saying there arent plenty of players who can and will spotdodge/mix it up with rolling but I'm saying the same assumptions for MK hold true against MK. Also what many MKs will do as a mixup is Dtilt then tornado. Why? Because it's perfectly ****ing safe and beats out the spotdodge. This is why people complain. MK has so many options and you HAVE to predict because even tornado comes out really fast and by then you already would've spotdodged.
You're spending this whole arguement assuming everyone has the same reaction speed that you do.
And concerning the Diddy falling frame tricks, pulling those off is even harder than punishing them, when MK has more options, like tornadoing your landing, shuttle looping you before you fair or airdodge. Nobody is gonna react to those things, thats why most people just airdodge/fair early and hope for the best. That's the kind of thing that's ENTIRELY prediction for most players.
Seibrik is ****ing terrible against Diddy and somehow still took game one. He would've easily won the set if he had known the matchup.felix lost to shadow but it was sorta close
he also beat seibrik in bracket, dont forget that
also Felix got wrecked by Jem last 2 tourneys in a row, just saying.
EDIT: also felix isn't "a lot worse than ADHD" many players at MLG sais he was approaching his level.
