I've been asking people on MSN, and AIM for help with the chart.
people should explain why matchups go certain ways instead of just saying they do, citing range of moves, recoveries, combos, etc. and not just results. that way there are actual debating points, and it doesnt matter how good people saying them are because we can all debate those elements of gameplay. kage being the best ganon and going even with marths is not necessarily proof that ganon and marth is even, but if kage explains what strategies ganon can use to beat marths range and it seems reasonable, then that would serve as grounds for that matchup being even. taj and sklers conversation was ideal, discussing exactly what the characters would do to each other, and not just saying "everybody knows link beats mewtwo" or "ive always been able to handle links"
it doesnt matter how many people say something if theyre all wrong, so we cant necessarily go by popular opinion either. arguments need to be grounded in the game to really affect opinion and public outlook.
5/19/2009 8:04:20 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: alright marth?? I would say either even or actually 55-45 for ganon
5/19/2009 8:04:51 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: Because I have not lost a set yet on that matchup and... well edgeguarding marth is a joke lol
5/19/2009 8:05:07 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: and theres many DI option and outspacing options vs marth as well
5/19/2009 8:05:21 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: just DI properly his combos and you can **** him with Ganon's combo on marth because of his weight
5/19/2009 8:05:38 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: like downthrow, nair, to something else
5/19/2009 8:05:44 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: or downthrow, back air lol
5/19/2009 8:05:49 PM Ryan Ford Kage the Stylist, 2009: wow
5/19/2009 8:06:04 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: and you can uair out of shield in between his fairs
5/19/2009 8:06:14 PM Ryan Ford Kage the Stylist, 2009: I didn't know that
5/19/2009 8:06:16 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: or just trade a fair with his fair, and you cant trade with ganon
5/19/2009 8:06:27 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: trading with ganon is bad lol
5/19/2009 8:06:33 PM Ryan Ford Kage the Stylist, 2009: true
5/19/2009 8:06:53 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: ya i did downair to downthrow, nair, fair lol
5/19/2009 8:06:59 PM Ryan Ford Kage the Stylist, 2009: lol
5/19/2009 8:07:01 PM Ryan Ford Kage the Stylist, 2009: on who?
5/19/2009 8:07:05 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: on a marth
5/19/2009 8:07:08 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: G$
5/19/2009 8:07:12 PM Ryan Ford Kage the Stylist, 2009: LOL
5/19/2009 8:07:25 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: and he died 0-death in 2 secs lol
5/19/2009 8:07:29 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: because he WC DI the fair lol
5/19/2009 8:07:33 PM Ryan Ford Kage the Stylist, 2009: ****
5/19/2009 8:07:46 PM Ryan Ford Kage the Stylist, 2009: that's hilarious
5/19/2009 8:07:53 PM Kage the Stylist, 2009 Ryan Ford: haha the secrets of ganon =P
Edit: Kage: if you didn't want me to post this then my bad.
Edit2: I don't completely agree with this, but I understand what he's saying and respect his input and knowledge.
edit3: since this post has been wasted, the convo is very confusing looking at it. Kage is mostly talking