Just so I can keep my pride, I was voting Squirtle because I assumed Pichu's electric abilities would be too nerfed. Since this assumption appears to be incorrect, Squirtle is at a disadavantage because of lack of an offensive option? 
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Sieguest
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Basically, all the pro squirtles have been pressing his bite offense, but one offense isn't really enough, and Pichu's electric defense dissuades such a close to the vitals approach...and Pichu insofar has had way more offensive and defensive positions...Just so I can keep my pride, I was voting Squirtle because I assumed Pichu's electric abilities would be too nerfed. Since this assumption appears to be incorrect, Squirtle is at a disadavantage because of lack of an offensive option?
a 100 volt shock in squirtles mouth is gonna hurt...
anytime you get shocked it hurts...
going to research 100 volts...brb...
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sammy p
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well i though pichu didnt get his electric abilities at all? squirtle had water but its only gulps of water so doesnt only come down to power and speed?
adumbrodeus
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Even if we didn't have electic eels, humans naturally produce electricity through the chemistry of our nervious system.
There's no way we could even remotely classify pichu being able to produce electricity as unrealistic.
It's not "rules", it's what's realistically possible IRL, Pichu's electricity is in.
Sieguest
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took a look at electricity...
If squirtle took a bite at Pichu's head
I'll guess it'll kill it...but squirtle couldn't take the shock...
It's body size and where 100 volts of electricity has been released is too much...
a factor that we forgot to consider was amps....
of course to get the electricity out it has to move incredibly fast...f
1 amp= any one spot in which the elec through squirtles body flows has 6.25x10^18 electrons...
there are many electrons in electricity...and through Pichu's delivery system
(both cheeks) you're definitely getting about 3-5 amps....at least...
Watts is the actual power
100voltsx3amps=300watts...
imagine an electrical source that has to power a 300watt bulb...
if Squirtle going to go for Pichu's head then squirtle might as well just have a gun with it to shoot itself...after biting...
I'm officially going pro Pichu...I've been arguing for the little rodent this whole time so might as well now...
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Anthony523
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I Think This Is A Draw...
Because Pichu May Be Very Small In Size...
But That Electricity Is Very Good Against A Water Type
Because Pichu May Be Very Small In Size...
But That Electricity Is Very Good Against A Water Type
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AGuyNamedRaf
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Hey, sorry I'm late.
Anyway, no that wouldn't count as 50 volts each. They would each come out at 100 volts as long as the volts came out of one cheek. If it came out of both cheeks, then it might be around 50 volts, but only if it was hitting two targets at once (like two separate squirtles that each held one cheek).
Sieguest
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Strategic placement says that the closest thing to squirtle would be Pichu's head...going for the body is plausible, but the risk of is very high, squirtle will take more time going further...and that provides time for other things to happen...
no...
each cheek act as it's own production pod...but when released the electricity comes together, forming 100 volts....
plus take 50voltsx3amps=150 watts...that's still a shock that'll cause stun squirtle...
Had a thought on the delivery system...but...I'll have to see to make something to make sure....brb....
EDIT:Well...I would say what I have to say....but...I can't find any youtube videos and I don't have a video recorder...
All I have to go off of is reading pokedex information from pokemon.com which only implies that the cheeks are for storage...I haven't found anything on delivery except for what I saw when i was playing Pokemon Revolution....
I started playing it to get a little more knowledge of what I was talking about...but it seems...that...Pichu doesn't exactly deliver a shock from it's cheeks although it stores electricity there...it can electricy itself...which it what it seems to do for most of it's attacks (the electricity flows around it and stuff)...I'll keep searching for youtube videos...
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I'd say it's a draw,
Pichu has the type advantage, but sucks when fighting (hurts itself with its own attack, lower base stats),
Squirtle is awesome when fighting (higher base stats, larger move pool), but has many weaknesses which are easily exploted by Pichu (Electric and Grass attacks),
Pichu has the type advantage, but sucks when fighting (hurts itself with its own attack, lower base stats),
Squirtle is awesome when fighting (higher base stats, larger move pool), but has many weaknesses which are easily exploted by Pichu (Electric and Grass attacks),
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Circa
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http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pichu_(Pokémon)#Special_abilities
Pichu stores, as well as delivers, the shocks via its cheeks. Thus, Pichu does have the potential to release the electricity that you guys are discussing.
It'll probably speed up again when we discuss people like Link and Lucario again.
Sieguest
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HOW COME I DIDN'T FIND THIS BEFORE!!!!!????!!!
(lol all these other sites I went to fail....)
THIS EXPLAINS IT ALL!!!
But...can it electrify it's body...is it possible for Pichu to discharge electricty from its cheeks to its own body to protect itself?
lol continue reading the article, Pichu can't control his electricity, there is no way he could create an electrical sheild
Sieguest
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Not a shield...
something similar to volt tackle..
since Pichu can't control it's electricity "well"...it still has some control over it...it's not out of mind that it might shock itself...
It'll randomly discharge electricityNot a shield...
something similar to volt tackle..
since Pichu can't control it's electricity "well"...it still has some control over it...it's not out of mind that it might shock itself...
it could hurt itself while doing that, and if Pikachu takes recoil from volt tackle than what happens to pichu?
Sieguest
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recoil is what happens...
nub....
and you omit that it disharages random electricity at random times...
but it can still store some in it's cheeks...
I've discussed this already...
Sieguest
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NUB YOU BEST READ DEM PAGES!!!
knockback? the fudge?
volt tackle is reclessly charging at the opponent while enveloped in electricity, I can't give the exact move description because my DS screen just broke...
fine not knockback
recoil + electricity it's a stack the shock doesn't count for both...
fine not knockback
recoil + electricity it's a stack the shock doesn't count for both...
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This...is if we're talking about volt tackle....(that's like my favorite move with my Raichu now! lol one hit pwns on water types....but I get pwned in return by the sheer epicness of it!)
then we know that it's THAT much worse for squirtle...D:<
squirtleuser007
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are we goin by weaknesses here? that's not very realistic, if so...
that's what I've been thinking
that's terrain based, that would depend on the arena
EDIT: this really sucks my DSi's top screen blew (at least I still have the warrenty
the best part of the warrenty is it becomes void if any damage occurs out of their control such as: Acts of God
@mathage-ok were done figuring out volt tackle but it's not hugely effective because the voltage is small (100v) and pichu takes multiple recoil hits, squirtle may be stunned a bit, but pichu has to deal with all the drawbacks of using this move
@JOE!-squirtle shouldn't go into the water anyway water conducts electricity
@squirtleuser-no
Sieguest
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lol no...I just talking about how **** my Raichu is...
God dangit....who d'you think suffers more from this...Pichu...or that flippin turtle...
Pichu should be used to shocking itself since it does so without wanting to correct...and I don't think squirtle stands out in lightning storms and saying
"HIT ME I NEED ELECTRICAL TRAINING!"
lol! God said that you should face the facts...
EDIT: Uncle sam you shouldn't edit while I'm posting...
still I've already named other effective attack methods besides volt tackle...that could purely defensive if squirtle going for a body shot...
which was exactly what I was looking to counter...Obviously attacking Pichu's head is like OMG where's a gun...
and now there's my defense for attacking Pichu's body..
and yes Pichu will hurt itself...but who's on the bad end of this deal...squirtle because he's still taking 100volts..x 3 amps which is 300watts directly in his mouth...
death
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squirtleuser007
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haha, raichu IS pretty ****, especially when u get one with surf from battle revolution. that just plain *****, give it a substitute and focus punch and thunderbolt=win. on topic, can squirtle not take damage while in shell?
oh, yeah right, you reminded me, squirtle can move as well
do you think pichu could seriously hit squirtle with volt tackle, remember this move is reckless, pichu wouldn't really know where he's going and squirtle could just move out of the waywell the warrenty is still valid so I'll get it fixed on sunday when I go to gamestoplol! God said that you should face the facts...
Sieguest
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urgh no quoted the wrong person!
but to answer that question I highly doubt Pichu can do anything to hurt squirtle inside that shell....(squirtle basically is just causing a stalemate like this...@joe-lightning will kill squirtle too
Plus volt tackle doesn't have to be purely offensive...
remember you asked "what if squirtle took a bite at Pichu's body?"
Pichu's volt tackle is the response...
^this is at JOE! and UncleSam!
well marthage there are multiple ways for squirtle to attack we've just neglected them so far, squirtle can scratch, he has claws, he can run>turn around and hit people with his shell (though that one is kind of risky), he can also use his tail though that'd be the weakest, if pichu is going to purposely fry itself to keep squirtle from attacking him squirtle could notice the electricity and act accordingly.
and if you refuse to heed above spoiler there's always curiosity, squirtle can go in to scratch and get a little shock and withdraw/pull back knowing pichu is a threat
"don't start to **** and say he's got too much knowledge forehand" to survive you need to analyze your surroundings and adapt
Sieguest
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All these are physical...
so
A. Pichu's electric contact is going to punish...
B. For scratching-Pichu has biting...match
C.You guys are letting Pichu do too much damage to itself- it hurts itself yes...but it's nothing that'll make it "fry itself"
D. If squirtle knows that Pichu can shock it and pulls back...then squirtle is going to have a hard time helping itself...
E. If pichu never displays it's electricity...then squirtle will never know
curiosity killed the cat...in this case it'll kill the turtle...
F. the tail is the last thing squirtle wants to get shocked...because then our initial topple squirtle argument comesback and this time squirtle's tail can't help it...
Pichu naturally must be able to withstand the energy recoil it receives from shocking, else it wouldn't even survive childhood...
natural selection ftw...
and I'll use your last argument against you..
Pichu can move...>.>
you're also over-powering the electricity, what I'm getting from this statement is that squirtle is going to go down after one V. tackle and I was exaggerating about the getting fried thing.
yeah they can both move, and? I was saying that it would be hard enough for pichu to hit squirtle if he was recklessly running around.
oh and if Pichu has too keep up it's electric coat out for too long that is constantly draining it's energy and hurting it, it wouldn't be able to bear the pain for much longer and have to set it down. plus it doesn't have much stanima to begin with, it's a Baby pokemon.
Ok i'm done for now, kinda
(i've been waiting to say this)- Pichu doesn't make it through childhood by natural selection, it grows through FRIENDSHIP!
friendshipftw
yeah they can both move, and? I was saying that it would be hard enough for pichu to hit squirtle if he was recklessly running around.
oh and if Pichu has too keep up it's electric coat out for too long that is constantly draining it's energy and hurting it, it wouldn't be able to bear the pain for much longer and have to set it down. plus it doesn't have much stanima to begin with, it's a Baby pokemon.
Ok i'm done for now, kinda
(i've been waiting to say this)- Pichu doesn't make it through childhood by natural selection, it grows through FRIENDSHIP!
friendshipftw
It depends a little bit on where we fight. If Joe decides we battle near a lake, the advanatge would probably switch to Squirtle. And whoever brings along a loaf of bread would have an edge as well.
Sieguest
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Actually...if it was near a lake...squirtle wouldn't go near the water as water conducts electricity...game over...It depends a little bit on where we fight. If Joe decides we battle near a lake, the advanatge would probably switch to Squirtle. And whoever brings along a loaf of bread would have an edge as well.
So you're saying squirtle can take 300watts of electricity?
I'm not saying a V.Tackle will kill squirtle....but 300watts of electricity in its mouth will if not severely injure it...and that bite was squirtle's main offense...
plus...the electric could be activated WHEN squirtle attacks...not anytime before and when squirtle and backed off...Pichu can stop discharging...kinda...
Who needs stamina...when you can end it quick...
And now that you mention friendship...all I gotta do is make friends with Pichu and evolve into Pikachu...****....
EDIT: And we all know that Pichu is gonna have the bread!
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