Okay. Now why is a ledge grab limit better than my gay stage rule?
What tactic breaks the rules and can have that broken rule enforced via the gay stage rule?
Here's a hint, there aren't any rules that get fixed by adding the gay stage rule. That's where you're making a mistake, you're saying that I'm trying to limit MK, I'm saying that we should continue to enforce our stalling rule the same way we always have (by finding some way to ban tactics that break that stalling rule, instead of banning the character itself (like Melee Jiggs, ICs, etc)).
But if we apply it to just MK, we're admitting that the character is a big fat problem not due to a glitch, combo, etc, but because of his use of game-wide mechanics.
Except the tactic is already AGAINST THE RULES.
It is ILLEGAL.
You are proposing we ban a character because he has a tactic that is illegal (many characters have tactics that are illegal and have had those illegal tactics specifcally banned (Jiggs rising pound stall, IDC, CGing past 300%, etc)) instead of enforcing the rules we have already.
So do we limit his usage of the move?
Does his usage of the rule break any rules that have always been in the game?
Isn't this a sign that the character is BROKEN?
Isn't surgically limiting Jigglypuff or ICs a sign that those characters are broken?
No. It's a sign that they have a tactic that breaks the rules and is illegal, and has that tactic banned because it's illegal.
You are missing my point. For atleast the tenth god **** time, I am not proposing in the slightest a rule just made for the sole purpose of limiting MK, stop assuming I am. I am saying that our rules MUST be enforced JUST LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST. His planking is illegal. There is no simple way to enforce a no-MK-planking rule other than an LGL (until you can provide a better alternative, anyway).
You have not addressed this point ONCE, and it has been NOTHING BUT the main point I have been attempting to make. You've been attacking straw man points and making irrelevant comparisons and examples of different rules that are completely different from what I am proposing and are there to serve a different purpose.
By your same logic, Melee Jigglypuff and Brawl ICs should be banned because of their tactics that break the rules, and making rules specifically to stop them from breaking the rules would be admitting that they're broken and need to be banned anyways.
But, no, we don't ban them, we specifically make rules to enforce the rules that they already break.
What is the problem with making a rule to enforce the rules we already have? No, I'm not talking about surgically limiting characters because they're broken (as in banning down-B, or gay stage rule, lmao), I'm talking about making rules specifically to enforce the rules we already have (like the IDC, CGing past 300%, Jiggs rising stall ban).
It's not admitting that MK is broken and needs to be banned anymore than our current rules are admitting that Jiggs or ICs are broken and need to be banned.
They had their tactics banned because their tactics were illegal, not because the characters were broken.
MKs planking is illegal, and using the logic we have ALWAYS used (and what reason do we have to change the reasoning that we use in banning tactics now?) something must be done about it.
We could just make it so that as soon as MK grabs the ledge, he loses the match.
All matches have to be played on Norfair, right (that stage has the most ledges doesn't it?)?
Hardcore Brawl.
I
like it.
(and if you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic right there...)
It solves both rule-breaking problems. 
