Not that I disagree with you, but you have a truly distorted view of a small margin. The only character that comes anywhere close to MK in terms of high placements is Snake, and even he is having trouble keeping up these days. All of the other characters have less than one third of MK's score on the Character Rankings. MK's ability to win is significantly greater at this point than any other character in the game. Regardless, there are still other characters that can win, and there are certain characters that (I think) have the advantage over MK when played right.
You have the wrong interpretation of "a small margin".
Let's say I'm better than you at basketball by a small margin. I'm the best, you're 2nd best. We both enter 100 tournaments. I win 75 of those, each time by a small margin, you win 20 and 5 other people win the other 5.
Does this make me unbeatable? Does this make be
tons better than you? No, I'm still just beating you (and those other 5) by a small margin. I'm better, yes, but only by a small margin. But if you hold a ton of tournaments, I'm going to win the majority of them because I'm the best.
MK is not leagues ahead of everyone else. Yes, there
is a gap between him and Snake and G&W. And then there's a gap between those three and High Tier. But not by such a margin we need to ban anyone (yet).
But I still have to fight tooth and nail and go even and almost lose constantly.
Also,
again, Mew2King, one of the best players
in the nation and other great Meta-Knights are largely to "blame" for his placements. They're the ones going around placing well as him. A select small number of great players using their main and doing well as them.
Ken won virtually every single tournament he entered for 2+ years. Marth was banworthy in Melee?
It won't do to argue that this game is balanced with respect to Metaknight. This game is thoroughly unbalanced in regard to him. The real argument is that a lack of balance isn't new to fighting games at all, and MK doesn't currently dominate. He's just really freaking good.
Yes. This we can agree on.
0-edgeguard =/= 0 to death
I hope that eventually there will be a soft ban for the sake of the lower tiers.
Yes, let's ban good characters so the Low Tier mainers can place a little better!
Ease of play on a technical level is inconsequential. Ease of
winning is all that matters.
Nobody cares if it takes less time to learn how to play MK properly than a lot of other characters if at the end of the day, he's still got matchups that are either disadvantageous or even.
And to your previous posts, dont eve try to compare brawl to 3rd strike, marvel, or any other fighting game. Brawl is so different and the skill it takes to play brawl is totally irrelevant to how hard it is to play those different games. The number of characters and the size of the tiers is the same to brawl. Storm, Magneto, Sentinal, Cable, Captain Commando, certain teams like Clockwork, they all are in comparison to like 60 characters playable in that game, or whatever number it is.
I'm so sick and tired of this BS.
"Brawl is so different, nothing from any other game can apply here!"
Why the
hell not?! We're still playing it as a Competitive game. We're discussing banning a character for being "too good".
Of course we can compare it to other games with similar situations where there are characters who are good and possibly "too good" to put things in perspective!
3rd Strike Yun isnt even close to chun-li, so i already dont respect your knowledge in other games.
Umm... what? Yun and Chun are the Top 2 of 3S. Yun has no bad matchups, but Chun has better matchups than Yun against some people. If you're "disrespecting" my knowledge of 3S, then you're disrespecting the knowledge of the combined Competitive 3S players of the world, because that's what they think. Who
are you, anyway?
Let's also look at the pros and cons to banning metaknight from most tournaments.
Pro - Matches will be more determined by skill and matchups will be more equal, in a sense that everyone is using a character that has some bad matchups, unlike meta who has none.
- The metagame will be saved due to no one can just pick metaknight when they are in a tight situation.
The word "skill" is thrown around a lot here. This is Competitive play. We don't ban things to maximize "skill".
If we're banning Meta to makes things more equal, then Snake and G&W have to go next. Meta has no bad matchups (except maybe Snake, according to some) but he's got a few even matchups. And many where his advantage isn't that huge. This is
not reason enough to ban him. It just makes him a very good character, not "too" good.
The metagame won't be "saved". People will just go to the next best things, Snake and Game & Watch. If we ban those, then they'll just play High Tier. If you want to play Competitively, then play to win. If you want to play a character with a few uphill matchups, so be it.
But don't whine about it and then demand characters who are better be banned.
Cons - Metaknight players will have to learn a new character...meaning within a week they will be fine.
- I honestly dont see any cons to banning metaknight.
Because it would be Scrubby... and
idiotic.
The fact that he has the most tournament wins isn't really the issue, I explained exactly what the issues were with MK in
my first post on this thread.
I didn't read it. Because I skim threads like these with tons of spam, thus, I miss out on a lot of posts.
Generally speaking, broken beyond belief isn't the actual criteria, it's just an easily recognizable variation of "significant decrease in the diversity of viable characters". When something is broken beyond belief, the number of tournament-viable characters is reduced to 1. At that point, it's pretty easy to make the ban call, even when the meta-game is immature.
So, it should stand that lesser decreases in the diversity of viable characters can be banned, it just requires a significantly more mature metagame in order to be sure that the character actually makes a high enough number of characters not viable for tournament play. As of right now, MK almost definitely fits the the criteria NOW. But the question is, will he fit the criteria when the meta-game is mature?
Or not. He doesn't fit it
yet. No, not even if things stay like this when the game matures.
I'll reiterate: This game is so imbalanced, if we want to ban characters for hindering diversity, then we have to ban everyone down to Mid. Because in Mid (and below), everyone counters everyone and it's anyone's guess.
Ban MK, then we have to ban the rest of Top and High.
Regardless, it doesn't help if people mischaracterize other people's arguments, which was really what I was commenting on in the post you quoted.
How do I micharacterize people's arguments?
It's kinda funny how there aren't any soft bans in America. MK is a prime candidate for a soft ban - beatable, but shuts down a large amount of the cast.
Snake, Game & Watch and NTSC Melee Sheik say "Hi".
. No, really, I hate those guys so much that I started maining them to overcome their strengths. They are all PAINFUL to fight.
