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Pivot grabbing out of shield

Atomsk_92

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You do this by simply

Dash

Shield

Right after you shield Push the Cstick diagonally down in the direction you'd pivot grab.

By doing this you still have the momentum from dash shielding and you'll pivot grab

It helps G&W the most imo

Discuss?
 
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Oh yah... down registers as a grab, up is Up smash OoS (if you have tap j ump on IIRC, or it's another grab) and left/right is rolling....

Mind testing the above for me? someone's on the TV and I'm unable to test. :x
 
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The action of pressing the shield and hitting the smash stick at the same time registers it as a grab input since youre pressing R and A essentially, the smash stick allows you to change which direction said input is going. This allowsyou to power shield an incoming attack while retreating from it then immediately grab out of it, giving pivot grabs an extra defensive boost.
 
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Too Smart. I'm disappointed I didn't know this when I was doing my C-stick reseach.

I'm jealous Atomsk. Good stuff here. Well done.

EDIT: TBH, I think Usmash OOS will be more useful for me. Marth's Usmash has good range, and off a powershield, it's pretty amazing . . .
 
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I'd usually make attempts to pivot grab in cross ups, but this way might be a lot more effective.
 
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Pierce7d said:
Too Smart. I'm disappointed I didn't know this when I was doing my C-stick reseach.

I'm jealous Atomsk. Good stuff here. Well done.

EDIT: TBH, I think Usmash OOS will be more useful for me. Marth's Usmash has good range, and off a powershield, it's pretty amazing . . .
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That depends. Marth's grab game at lower %'s is excellent as well as higher %'s being pretty good themselves.

Also don't forget up-B OoS.

Also having 3 options isn't that bad. ;) since some people start to predict usmash/up-B out of shield so they shield to avoid it.

You know what beats shielding?

Grabbing.
 
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SuSa said:
This will step up my snake's game, I was able to test it.

This is sexy. No more being safe from shield grabs from cross-ups? haha....


Also thanks for explaining Ryko? XD
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It is big for snake , but it's honestly big for everyone considering the implications of actually being able to shield an attack and pivot grab it even when you're not at an initial range advantage. Atomsk ran across it 2 saturdays ago and lemme know about it, it's been hell keeping my yap shut.
 
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Are right and left locked out? Usually, when using the C-stick, it picks available A options when you hit down (IE: instant dash attack when dashing) which makes grab make a whole lot of sense, and obviously diagonal will make a pivot grab. Right and left usually have window for buffering (IE: Stutter step fsmash), which makes me curious if it locks out the option, or performs a roll. It will probably perform a studder step roll in the opening dash, but I'm curious what it does at later points. I'll run some tests tomorrow to see if I find anything new. I'll also link this in the C-stick compendium. Once again, really nice work Atomsk.

@ Susa

Yeah, except you'll have some serious frame advantage off a buffed attack OOPS (out of perfect shield). Frame 12 isn't ideal, but it'll probably stuff any dash attacks, or anything not jab/poke. It's pretty solid probably. Mario's Usmash is 9 frames, even better, considering that his pivot grab is also 9 frames.
 
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Is it the same animation as dropping your shield to pivot grab or does it literally do it out of shield?
 
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Am I the only person having trouble doing this with my shield up? I can get the grab if I shield/C-stick simultaneously, but...
 
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How about from a foxtrot? Does it have to be a full dash? It shouldn't require a foxtrot, by all rights, but I just want to confirm.
 
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So which characters flatout amaze with this.

Fox\Charazards isn't that bad.

Also I wonder if you can do this out of shield-stun/push.
(Way too tired to even try...)
 
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This technique and the discovery of this technique are not good for tether grabbers. Not at all. Samus/Link/ZSS/Lucas etc. can't use it and will get ***** by it.
 
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Every non tether grab gets added functionality out of this. It doesnt change whose pivotgrabs are the best, it just adds another point during a defensive maneuver in which you can use it. If someone's hitting your shield it doesnt matter what your pivot grab range is, every pivot grab in the game will flat out connect if something hits from the distance of their character's shield.
 
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Test it for every character. Plus, how would this work for a wiimote nunchuck user? (me, razer etc...)
 
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