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Pivot grabbing out of shield
- Thread starter Atomsk_92
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IxxI
Smash Fence
Do you still need to input a direction with the control stick diagonally if you use the grab button or A button?
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Control stick in direction you want to grab, yes.
IxxI
Smash Fence
Okay, thanks. Just needed a little clarification.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
If timed correctly it can be a free powershield to grab.
Jupz
Smash Master
Woah nice atomsk :D This is awesome :D
Noraa
Smash Lord
sounds like a normal pivot to me with just differnt timing lol
nothing OMG
nothing OMG
You just did a pivot grab.
Just Dash and press Z + other direction to do this. xD
So ****ing funny. If any random had posted this any1 would go like: Its just a normal pivot grab. and because its Atomsk they all think its sth. new.
Just Dash and press Z + other direction to do this. xD
So ****ing funny. If any random had posted this any1 would go like: Its just a normal pivot grab. and because its Atomsk they all think its sth. new.
SuSa
Banned via Administration
I don't think you are doing it right. The shield comes out for like 1-5 frames. (I think it's only 2-3 TBH)
The shield can be useful to pivot grab things like dash attacks with single hitboxes and the likes, as a safety measure of sorts for IF they MIGHT hit you.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
If you do it to fast I don't think the shield comes out, it takes practice.
SuSa
Banned via Administration
Eh, I haven't done it "to fast" I thought I did it too slow the 3 times I didn't see my shield.
Llumys
Smash Champion
I only tried this as Olimar, and it doesn't seem to help him much. I can't imagine it helping ANYONE that much.
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
yo papa atomsk, do you know if it works well with luigi? i know you use him but like, will his low traction be any use or help with him? and would this be a viable approach too? ;D
SuSa
Banned via Administration
This isn't really a viable approach, you'd be facing the wrong way during the grab. :x
Elyssa Xey Hexen
Broken!
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So the functionality of this is to simply punish momentum carrying attacks that would go through you such as as opponents dash attack. But really only on the powershield.
theONEjanitor
Smash Champion
like for example, say luigi is down-b ing you from behind, time it right and you get a powershield and a free grab from a move that when spaced properly is usually hard to punish
thats one example but as we play more we could learn lots of things this is useful for
thats one example but as we play more we could learn lots of things this is useful for
ssbbFICTION
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Can this also be used from a shieldpush? Like pivot grab out of shield momentum?
That would be devestating to the already so so great "aggressive" play that's in brawl.
You'd be hard countered Fiction, you're like the most aggressive Wario ever
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Overswarm
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I agree, but there are two slight changes
1. slight chance of powershield
2. changes your momentum from a normal pivot grab
The "hitbox" of your grab might change, but I'm unsure.
Luigi player
Smash Master
Wasn't this found out some time ago? You can also shield-running grab. It doesn't look that useful to me. The chance to powershield and pivot grab doesn't seem that different than just pivot grabbing... if the enemy hits you you'll have the grab SA.
But maybe it helps to pivot grab MK out of the tornado?
But maybe it helps to pivot grab MK out of the tornado?
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Even with a chance to powershield an attack, I don't see any realistic applications. The only thing I can think of is countering cross-up attacks. Even then, you have do to it out of a dash and out of shield.
Also, what change in momentum is there? Or rather, what's the difference in momentum from a normal pivotgrab?
The grabbox isn't any different from a normal pivotrgrab.
Megavitamins
Smash Champion
Uhh... If you PS, why do you need to pivot, cant u just grab normally? Am i missing something?
Shadow 111
Smash Lord
i suggest you make a video of exactly how this works, atomsk.
many people aren't understanding how this can be used in play.
many people aren't understanding how this can be used in play.
I 2nd this. Someone please make a video because I'm trying and it just doesn't seem as useful as some people are making it out to be. I'm missing something.
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
i 3rd this x].
it's good for people like d3 who has trouble fighting small characters and ending up behind his shield too.
so would cross ups be useless now? T.T
prOAPC
Smash Lord
the animation you get, is it a standing grab animation or a pivot grab animation? (i ask this because for some characters their pivot grab animations are shorter than standing grab animations)
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It's just one of the many ways you can do a dash->pivotgrab, except a shield comes out for a split second.
You run, shield->c-stick diagonal-down (as the shield comes out), and you pivotgrab normally.
But to answer your question directly, it's a normal pivotgrab animation.
LuigiKing
Smash Lord
I wonder if Luigi can get anything out of this. If I wasn't stuck in Montana I would go test this right now :O
4th
i think this could SERIOUSLY help characters like ICs, Dedede, Snake, Lucas, Yoshi ect. maybe even characters like ZSS O.O
Cool find.
Shadow 111
Smash Lord
=/ apparently you haven't seen the posts ssaying that this does not work for yoshi =(. it's also been said that it will be terrible for the tether grab chars like lucas and ZSS.
Sry im not going to go thru 8 pages to see something =/
But I would think i'd be BETTER for Lucas because his normal grab is fail and pivot is good =(
Now that I think about it it makes sense it isn't good for tether grabbers, but I don't understand lucas yet.
The Truth!
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Wow, then this information is like, months old. Gonzo made a post about this a loooong time ago. He emphasized the powershield dash grab, but he mentioned that you could pivot grab too. I guess its nice to know you can do it with the c-stick, but the joystick only seems much easier.