[22 JAN] Comprehensive Guide to AT's, Discoveries and Glitches (Posting Rules in OP)

[FredTHAreD]

We need to get this guide out to people who think Brawl isn't technical. I bet if we had more dedicated players that are still playing Melee working on Brawl, we'd find some more. Oh well. Great job. I'm definently liking how this is looking.

 

[DanGR]

Also,

"- Whistle Super Armor
How to Perform: Simply use the Down B 'whistle'
Effect: The whistle has a few frames of Super Armor right at the beginning (when Olimar pulls his head back) and it's usually used to help recovery or block multi-hit smashes."

bolded- that's a big nono. It's much better against non-mutihit attacks such as GaW's fair or luigi's longlasting nair. Many mulithit attacks will last longer than the super armor of the whistle. Its super armor frames will last around the length of MK's fair. (It can barely be whistled through all the way)

Besides that, it's perfect.

You must have learned a lot by making this eh? I learned a couple things after reading through it just now.

 

[Snail]

Also,

"- Whistle Super Armor
How to Perform: Simply use the Down B 'whistle'
Effect: The whistle has a few frames of Super Armor right at the beginning (when Olimar pulls his head back) and it's usually used to help recovery or block multi-hit smashes."

bolded- that's a big nono. It's much better against non-mutihit attacks such as GaW's fair or luigi's longlasting nair. Many mulithit attacks will last longer than the super armor of the whistle. Its super armor frames will last around the length of MK's fair. (It can barely be whistled through all the way)

Besides that, it's perfect.

You must have learned a lot by making this eh? I learned a couple things after reading through it just now.

Hm? You can whistle ROB's dsmash and counter before he hits you again, IIRC. That would make it useful for blocking multihit smashes (and aerials. You can whistle MK's fair and run under to upsmash him, for example). Right?

 

[DanGR]

Hm? You can whistle ROB's dsmash and counter before he hits you again, IIRC. That would make it useful for blocking multihit smashes (and aerials. You can whistle MK's fair and run under to upsmash him, for example). Right?

Yeah, that's true, but for the most part, multihit attacks will last longer than the whistle. I'll name a few: Sheik's dsmash, Zelda's upsmash, GaW's bair, Pikachu's dsmash, MK's bair(I think), Link's upsmash, Peach's dair. These are just a few off the top of my head.

Olimar's whistle is much better against single hit attacks that are hard to punish, such as GaW's upsmash. Airdodges should ALWAYS be used unless you're wanting to punish an attack or you're trying to get back to the ground. It's also very good at helping Olimar recover- because feinting airdodges is a big deal in this game and the whistle has very low lag.

 

[Snail]

Well, okay. Change the discription to "...and it's usually used to help recovery or block some multihit attacks." I don't use the whistle on the ground at all, but yeah. :/

 

[Rigor Mortis]

This is the only thread I constantly return to and pray upon

 

[DeftFunk]

My friend tells me three things, although they're nothing too special and may already be old news:

Apparently, he was playing as Link and threw his boomerang past Mario who used his cape on it upon it's return. Instead of flying off in a different direction, it returned to Link and blew him right off the Bridge of Eldin to his death.

Also, If Shiek or Zelda transform after being struck by lightning, they'll remain huge/tiny until they are KOed.

And Jigglypuff can Rest on Blast Boxes and take no damage while setting them off.

 

[Judge Judy]

My friend tells me three things, although they're nothing too special and may already be old news:

Apparently, he was playing as Link and threw his boomerang past Mario who used his cape on it upon it's return. Instead of flying off in a different direction, it returned to Link and blew him right off the Bridge of Eldin to his death.

Also, If Shiek or Zelda transform after being struck by lightning, they'll remain huge/tiny until they are KOed.

And Jigglypuff can Rest on Blast Boxes and take no damage while setting them off.

Second one is good but the other two aren't even glitches.

 

[Jewdo]

Hey again. Reading over the thread, I realize I left out a bit of old news. Everyone probably knows it already, so only include it if you think it's useful.

- Game & Watch: Key Braking

How to Perform: Do a D-air. At any point in the move's downward plunge, return the joystick to neutral and press it Down again.
Effect: G&W will fall less quickly than normal for the rest of the D-air.

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

ooh, didnt know that thx

and btw keep up the good work with the contributing and organizing, this thread is really helpful!

 

[kupo15]

Please edit "wingdashing" for pit by taking away "this is the most similar thing to wavedashing in brawl" I was dumb when I wrote that

 

[Nihongo-ookami]

Someone might have already said this, but the DI after Sonic's Neutral Special or side special is amazing if you're at mid-high percentages. Also, it works better for the heavier characters.

 

[Vyse]

I'm going to do another update to the guide next week.
I'm really busy with a lot of things at the moment (Especially my tournament).

 

[J4pu]

What is CLC? you gotta be more direct with this, I didn't know where to look to find it. Maybe put the section you post the info in in front of the name of the newly added item.

 

[Vyse]

Sorry, CLC = Chain Ledge Cancel

It's an olimar technique.

EDIT: Need to add
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=195923

 

[Dark Sonic]

New Sonic tech. Grinding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdiAKWTfgo

Completely useless, but still awesome.

 

[Alopex]

On Crawl Dashing, you haven't listed all the characters that can crawl in the parentheses. Just from memory, Wario, Lucario, and Sheik are not there.

I don't know about the other two, but I know from personal use that Sheik can Crawl Dash and she is also shown doing it in one of the videos in the thread you linked to. It's supposed to work with all characters that can crawl, so it should work with Wario and Lucario to.

So maybe edit those characters into the parentheses for completion?

 

[Vyse]

Sorry, CLC = Chain Ledge Cancel

It's an olimar technique.

EDIT: Need to add
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=195923

On Crawl Dashing, you haven't listed all the characters that can crawl in the parentheses. Just from memory, Wario, Lucario, and Sheik are not there.

I don't know about the other two, but I know from personal use that Sheik can Crawl Dash and she is also shown doing it in one of the videos in the thread you linked to. It's supposed to work with all characters that can crawl, so it should work with Wario and Lucario to.

So maybe edit those characters into the parentheses for completion?

Thanks for the tips guys. I'll give it another week, since not much has been posted for adding to the guide since my last update. I'll update it then.

 

[Dark Sonic]

You forgot about Grinding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdiAKWTfgo

I actually think it has some mindgame potential, considering you can still do anything that you could do from a normal dash out of it, and at the end you can foxtrot or dash dance (which means you can pivot).

 

[Vyse]

Ah, don't worry Dark Sonic.
I didn't forget grinding : )

Or, at least I wouldn't have when updating it.

 

[Rkey]

Oh yeah, this is gonna be interesting

Hey, I keep reading theese tiny descriptions of wavebouncing when there's sooo much you can do with them. Check out my All About wavebouncing thread, you wont forget it. I'd appreciate if you could add it next to the other OP about wavebouncing, since I put a lot of work in this thread and few are showing interest

 

[Vyse]

Will do Rkey.

Argh, I'm blaming the lack of updates to 'no internet' johns at the moment. I wanted to have it done by now, but my pre-paid mobile wireless just ran out, and I've been too busy to buy more credit =_=

(I have a weird situation with my internet).

Right now I'm posting from work, so I can't really sit down for an hour and edit everything in.

Expect the next update in a couple of days.

 

[Rkey]

Will do Rkey.

Argh, I'm blaming the lack of updates to 'no internet' johns at the moment. I wanted to have it done by now, but my pre-paid mobile wireless just ran out, and I've been too busy to buy more credit =_=

(I have a weird situation with my internet).

Right now I'm posting from work, so I can't really sit down for an hour and edit everything in.

Expect the next update in a couple of days.

Cool, thanks : )

No rush

 

[Denzi]

Is anyone looking into, umm... this?

Thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=198295

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axcElEkSZGs

It's pretty convincing.

 

[Vyse]

Also,

"- Whistle Super Armor
How to Perform: Simply use the Down B 'whistle'
Effect: The whistle has a few frames of Super Armor right at the beginning (when Olimar pulls his head back) and it's usually used to help recovery or block multi-hit smashes."

bolded- that's a big nono. It's much better against non-mutihit attacks such as GaW's fair or luigi's longlasting nair. Many mulithit attacks will last longer than the super armor of the whistle. Its super armor frames will last around the length of MK's fair. (It can barely be whistled through all the way)

Besides that, it's perfect.

You must have learned a lot by making this eh? I learned a couple things after reading through it just now.

My friend tells me three things, although they're nothing too special and may already be old news:

Apparently, he was playing as Link and threw his boomerang past Mario who used his cape on it upon it's return. Instead of flying off in a different direction, it returned to Link and blew him right off the Bridge of Eldin to his death.

Also, If Shiek or Zelda transform after being struck by lightning, they'll remain huge/tiny until they are KOed.

And Jigglypuff can Rest on Blast Boxes and take no damage while setting them off.

Hey again. Reading over the thread, I realize I left out a bit of old news. Everyone probably knows it already, so only include it if you think it's useful.

- Game & Watch: Key Braking

How to Perform: Do a D-air. At any point in the move's downward plunge, return the joystick to neutral and press it Down again.
Effect: G&W will fall less quickly than normal for the rest of the D-air.

Please edit "wingdashing" for pit by taking away "this is the most similar thing to wavedashing in brawl" I was dumb when I wrote that

Someone might have already said this, but the DI after Sonic's Neutral Special or side special is amazing if you're at mid-high percentages. Also, it works better for the heavier characters.

Sorry, CLC = Chain Ledge Cancel

It's an olimar technique.

EDIT: Need to add
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=195923

New Sonic tech. Grinding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdiAKWTfgo

Completely useless, but still awesome.

On Crawl Dashing, you haven't listed all the characters that can crawl in the parentheses. Just from memory, Wario, Lucario, and Sheik are not there.

I don't know about the other two, but I know from personal use that Sheik can Crawl Dash and she is also shown doing it in one of the videos in the thread you linked to. It's supposed to work with all characters that can crawl, so it should work with Wario and Lucario to.

So maybe edit those characters into the parentheses for completion?

You forgot about Grinding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdiAKWTfgo

I actually think it has some mindgame potential, considering you can still do anything that you could do from a normal dash out of it, and at the end you can foxtrot or dash dance (which means you can pivot).

Oh yeah, this is gonna be interesting

Hey, I keep reading theese tiny descriptions of wavebouncing when there's sooo much you can do with them. Check out my All About wavebouncing thread, you wont forget it. I'd appreciate if you could add it next to the other OP about wavebouncing, since I put a lot of work in this thread and few are showing interest

Is anyone looking into, umm... this?

Thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=198295

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axcElEkSZGs

It's pretty convincing.

I need to add Wario's waft properties as well.
Ugh, Also Key Balance, I need to make that a multiple character technique.

Okay, MASSIVE MULTI-QUOTE.

Time to update. I think I might do it a chunk at a time. I'll certainly be glad once it's done though

 

[Judge Judy]

You definetly need to take a look at this: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=196174

There's some ATs for Mario you should add to your list shown in the guide.

 

[Vyse]

October 11th Update

[11 OCT]Whistle Armour update, sheik/zelda lightning transform glitch, Key Braking, wing dash edit, grinding, Crawl Dashing edit, wavebounce tute by Rkey added, key balance changed to 'dair balance'.

Two of the facts that DeftFunk posted are merely just the effect of in game attack properties. This also goes for DK's 9-wind punch and Wario's waft. However, I will add them in a future update. So I'll refer back to this post and do some research between now and then.

Nihongo-ookami's post about Sonic's DI is just another fact. Anybody playing sonic would notice this, and so applications of this should be discussed elsewhere (sonic guides?)

I didn't add the 'control the direction of your trip' tech, simply because Yuna debunked it, a fact corroborated by others.

I didn't add the Falcon waveland, because it's actually a non-obvious hill dash.

@Judge Judy:
I'll look at updating Mario's tech's

 

[kupo15]

Could you edit the Pit section by changing where you can find these techs? its not in Undrs compendium anymore. Its The Ultimate Pit guide created by kupo15 and Corruptfate http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=181610


thanks

 

[Tenki]

Nihongo-ookami's post about Sonic's DI is just another fact. Anybody playing sonic would notice this, and so applications of this should be discussed elsewhere (sonic guides?)

lmao

I've never noticed it, and I'm still not exactly sure what Ookami means by the DI being higher at mid-high %'s.

 

[Phantom1987]

don´t even know if it should be consider a glitch.... Even I consider it a trick... although... It is a combination of different glitches (jump-canceled up-b... b-reversal). Well... I had to post it xD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OAKgU-RjwY

Aps... And even when in the vid is performed with link... It can also be performed with pit... But I think he can't change his momentum...

 

[Phantom1987]

ok... I tested with pit and his reversed aereal off platform is a little different...

He has to press back first --> jump + up-B --> any attack... It is faster than you think xD... I'll upload a video soon ^^

PD: pit can't reversal...
PD2: the same method can be aplied to link

 

[XienZo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Tx8qyJaBw
Pikachu going through stage WITHOUT volt tackle.

 

[_Kadaj_]

post for bookmark (for me )

 

[Rhyfelwyr]

Please take off my true combo list. It's no longer needed.

Here are three threads to consider adding to your post.

Watch out when charging smashes: The Smash-Charge Vulnerability
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=202057

Stun Jacket: NEW (first) Marth AT! (Also works with Ike)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=201884

Sorta AT: Auto-Cancel Tornado
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=202347

 

[nice1]

nice thread thanx

 

[Adapt]

Please take off my true combo list. It's no longer needed.

Here are three threads to consider adding to your post.

Watch out when charging smashes: The Smash-Charge Vulnerability
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=202057

Stun Jacket: NEW (first) Marth AT! (Also works with Ike)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=201884

Sorta AT: Auto-Cancel Tornado
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=202347

I came in here to add the Smash-Charge Vulnerability, but I got beat to it lol

Do you need a description vyse?

 

[Vyse]

If you want to do the writeup yourself, by all means write one up and I'll add it.

 

[Judge Judy]

You need to add FIHL (F.L.U.D.D. Induced Hit Lag) for Mario: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=196174

 

[Phantom7]

An awseome glitch I know in the game is if you use Falco at New Pork City and shoot the platform at the bottom in exactly the right spot, his blaster gets stuck on the end of the platform. (I don't know if that was up there becuase I didn't read much of it. I just wanted to point that out)

 

[Adapt]

Under "General Discoveries"

The Smash-Charge Vulnerability

When a character is charging a smash attack and they are hit, they fly further. The knockback incurred from being hit is increased by 20% and consequently the character will die at lower percentages.

OP: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=202057


Also, I dunno whether you want to include it or not, but here is a list of the strengths of spikes in brawl
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=199830