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*thinks about it*YI: Melee could potentially be an amazing Wolf stage. Think about it.
No matter how much reading Ganondorf does, he's going to lose to ICs and Olimar. :|In my opinion though in the right hands any character can win. This game is mostly about reading your opponent which means if you're using Wolf you just have to be way smarter then your opponent to win.
Gimr, I haven't played you in foreverThe problem with wolf is once people learn to power shield your B-air then you're screwed.
I was playing to Seagull in friendlies and losing. I decided to start powershield and bam I started 2 to 3 stocking him.
this added with his horibble recover and kill moves that had a lotta lag (D-smash + F-smash) makes him pretty bad.
In my opinion though in the right hands any character can win. This game is mostly about reading your opponent which means if you're using Wolf you just have to be way smarter then your opponent to win.
With the tools to fight his bad MU's and recent tournament results, I don't see why Wolf shouldn't rise a little, at least above Fox with the horrible MUs he has.Seagull Man said:Wolf vs Mk is a game of wits with each other. You need to make Mk get in the air which you can do through RAR lasers, FH Lasers, and punishing his approaches. If Mk dashes to you, you can Fsmash or pivot grab.
The most crucial move in this matchup and I mean this, is Usmash Out of shield. Every time Mk attacks your shield, he does not go far enough to avoid the Usmash range.
Dair camping is beat with Uairs and Fairs. Never be scared in shield. Mk is slow in the air and you wreck him when he is above you. Shine>Uair, Bair, Fair when sent in the air and he comes after you.
Things never to do and reasons why:
* Don't bair wall. Mk will punish you.
* Don't EVER fsmash shield.
* Utilize grab releases to Fsmash or Dacus. If he ground releases get the **** outta there.
* Don't for the love of god spotdodge against Mk. Just hold shield.
* Don't challenge Mk at the edge. Stay a distance from his Uair and Shuttle loop range. Stay grounded and be preppared to laser him cause no matter, which way he comes back he will eat a laser. Also prepare a jumpshine if he full hops or nados back on stage. Laser and Jumpshine cover every option. If he does a get up attack, shield and Usmash out of shield punish or dair his ***.
* Don't challenge nado when it's hitting your shield. Your shield also better be tilted upward. And punish the **** outta Mk with Dacus or Usmash or grab when he lands.
I use alot of RAR lasers in this matchup because I'm running away and lasering. Let Mk come to you. Don't approach him. Mk is fast on ground and slow in air. Take advantage of everything. Avoid Dtilt's. Run away against Mk's dtilt because it's what will destroy Wolf because then combos begin. Mk racks on damage fast, which is the problem. Wolf has the tools to avoid it all with laser, shine, and his shield is pretty good.
Matchup synopsis 40-60 or 45-55 at best. It's getting better.
Which is exactly why the BBR members need to read these threads after they've been posted. That's the only way they will learn about characters like this that they don't know much about.but I'm not exactly knowledgeable about fastfallers
I see... well, one person at a time I guess ;D It's good of you to keep up on the discussions that you posted in though, I hope more BBR members secretly do the same... There's a lot more to Wolf that people just haven't mentioned at all. Time to get working on my post then, it'll probably be up sometime tomorrow :xIshieymoro, I have no idea what the other BBR members will do with this thread. I constantly check the ones I talk in (even this one, which as you can see, I barely said anything), but I'm not exactly knowledgeable about fastfallers... I'm more into light and combotastic characters. So, I'll probably reply to things I can reply to. :\
Not true, You just have to be THAT much smarter then your opponent.No matter how much reading Ganondorf does, he's going to lose to ICs and Olimar. :|
I dunno, I wouldn't say any character can win. Theres some MUs that are just so abysmal that I can't even theorycraft the bad character winning, like the above mentioned examples.
Given that thought, Wolf is not one of those abysmal characters. He definitely has what it takes to win, but he doesn't seem to be in the league of C tier characters. There are D tier characters who are better than him, but I can't see him being in E tier either, with all of those "unviable" characters.
he can also forward b to dash attack metaknight guaranteedNot true, You just have to be THAT much smarter then your opponent.
BTW, ganondorf can forward-B to D-smash Olimar Guaranteed.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=175241 <--This thread list the percentage that Wolf can be KO'd after the ftilt lock, but other than that, I couldn't find anything. I'll test out escaping from her KO's tonight.Can anyone find a reliable source on what finishers Wario/Sheik can pull off after their CGs? Iirc, we can shield Wario's fsmash and escape Sheik's usmash with a shine, but can't test anything atm...