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ZOMG THEN IT WAS A LIE!I didn't find anything.
Well, that's too bad. I got some good information on one of the characters I use, so it was pretty good to me.I didn't find anything.
Each one of these images speaks for themselves.
SO, you believe that Captain Falcon is a genuine low tier character?Falcon discussion was pretty good. Some people were spot-on (Infern, joel, Pierce) and some that should get kicked out of the BBR (AA, Shadow Link). The rest were correct for the most part.
Rofl, I'm sorry but if you're bringing up priority then you don't know what you're talking about xDSO, you believe that Captain Falcon is a genuine low tier character?
Doubtful, if you can find matchups where Falcon is not getting horribly beaten, I'll give you a gold medal.
As it stands, every single character outside Ganondorf and Zelda give him a hard time.
He has great ground mobility, sexy jab locks, but he has NOTHING to kill with at all,. he has decent range but TERRIBLE priority.
They took everything away that made Captain Falcon good. Which is why he is so horrid because his weaknesses were never taken away.
He has nothing that is safe on block. Almost every single character in the game can simply grab him afterwards or attack OOS as punishment.
His approaches are dedicated, and his recovery is very predictable, making it easy to force him into a position to be edgeguarded or force him to intake damage.
Falcon is REALLY bad, and Ally being Ally does not change him from being bad.
Priority is imporant in that i helps you approach in a direct method.Rofl, I'm sorry but if you're bringing up priority then you don't know what you're talking about xD
irrelevant.MUs are pretty subjective because if you look at other boards (Mario/Jiggz) they say ridiculous things like "Jiggs only loses to MK 45-55"
Sonic has moves safe on block due to his jump cancels,And no, if you use a technique called "spacing" you won't get shield grabbed. Yes most of his moves are pretty bad on block, but who doesn't? This is Brawl.
Falcon beats GanonJust for you:
Falcon Beats Or Goes Even With:
Ganon
no he doesn't.Link
Possibly.Zelda (Arguably)
She beats hiSamus (Arguably)
He beas Captain falcon rather handily.Mario (Arguably)
Bowser's defensive game hinders Falcon immensely. He is acharacter that while lacking mobility, has the ability t keep falcon out, and his infinite jumping ability aids in spacing and fending off Falcn.Bowser (Arguably)
LOL wut?Ness (Arguably)
Lol wut?Charizard
Beat? No
WHAT!?Wario (Arguably)
My main has nothing to do wth it.So I should be taking a Sonic Main's word on Falcon's match-ups?
Zair, boomerangs, bombs, arrows. They create a good wall against Falcon. He also has much better priority and can thus completely wall him off.Link: He gets gimped SO easy. Seriously flub->uair offstage is a gimp. Link's projectiles don't do him much good because of Falcon's mobility. He gets uair *****.
Zair all day.Samus: She can't kill Falcon 'til 200%. Her projectile game is almost useless, we can jab her missiles and beat them for what that's worth. She also gets uair and jabbed *****.
Outzoned?Mario isn't too bad, it's anywhere from 45-55 to 55-45. We wall him with uair and utilt, literally. He gets outzoned quite badly. Mario has decent killing options, good combos, and good gimp abilities.
So bowser has good comboes and gimping abilities?Bowser: Same with Mario, it really depends on who's playing.
The ground release CG requires Falcon to run forward.Ness: Ground Release chaingrab, grab release -> uair/Knee. Don't need to say much more than that.
DOIvy gets destroyed by Falcon. Grab Release -> uair puts him in a TERRIBLE spot and he can't do ****. Again, flub->uair offstage = GG.
You're not getting Lazy, you're just stupid.Charizard: Debatable as well. He gets jab combo'd pretty hard and stuffz. He has really good KO power and that rock smash. Insert other crap in here, I'm getting too lazy now.
Wario got grabbed, repeatedly.Wario: Typical you would say that coming from an '09 mindset. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjDCYaxRZv4
There's how the MU plays out on a professional level.
Willz's Falcon ***** your Samus.Oh lord.. lord. Please don't speak of the Samus v Falcon MU when you clearly know nothing of it, ironically, you also get uair ***** by us, it's a double edged sword in that respect. I could spend XXX minutes preparing a long drawn out arguement on why Samus beats Falcon, but I'd rather just let you and Shadow continue :3.
Also, I can't wait for you guys to discuss Samus, I will have ALOT of fun with this.
Ally is capable of reading players in a way only the highest echelon players can. A lot of stuff he does isn't repeatable by players of lesser calibur. It's the same way how M2K's MK is just that much better than almost every top player's MK.Shadowlink, ally being ally is how falcon should be played. So are you saying falcon being played how he's supposed to doesn't count because there's a good player playing him?
He's never played my Samus for an entire match. EVER. To add, my Zelda made his Falcon ragequit, but hey, that's not embarass anybody here.Willz's Falcon ***** your Samus.
ground to ground=difference below 10%=clangMost of your arguments are based off of "lool priority" which isn't even a fact. There's no data in the game that says "priority=x". It's about disjoint and damage output AFAIK, which Falcon has. Falcon Kick breaks through everything, even Tornado, same with up tilt and back air. Another random point, Falcon does pretty **** well against projectiles, yes he's tall but with second fastest run and dash speed along with 5th best air speed he can get around. With that Falcon can shield and punish zairs easily.
Guaranteed grab setups including jabs/Nair/lowpercentage Uair and Bair.Also, please don't say "wow they suk they got grabed". You're GOING to get grabbed and Krystadez is a top Wario. Falcon may have bad standing grab range but he has (bar SDI) guaranteed grab setups and has the mobility to land them.
by that logic, MU's can never be decided unless you mained every single character in the game.Btw, Falcon's defensive game is actually pretty good. I don't care if you use Falcon in friendlies or whatever. You don't see me going in the Sonic Boards saying how bad he is and deciding his match-up ratios for you.
This, its really no contest. Samus walls the hell out of Falcon. Big deal, she cant kill to higher percents but she DOES NOT NEED TO KILL HIM SINCE HE CANT HIT HER ANYWAY!Oh lord.. lord. Please don't speak of the Samus v Falcon MU when you clearly know nothing of it, ironically, you also get uair ***** by us, it's a double edged sword in that respect. I could spend XXX minutes preparing a long drawn out arguement on why Samus beats Falcon, but I'd rather just let you and Shadow continue :3.
Also, I can't wait for you guys to discuss Samus, I will have ALOT of fun with this.
Wedge don't speak stupidly.Shadowlink, ally being ally is how falcon should be played. So are you saying falcon being played how he's supposed to doesn't count because there's a good player playing him?
That video was more so of showing how Falcon plays NOW and how the MU IS close to even. Because obviously people are misformed.Ally is capable of reading players in a way only the highest echelon players can. A lot of stuff he does isn't repeatable by players of lesser calibur. It's the same way how M2K's MK is just that much better than almost every top player's MK.
I did not know this.sexy jab locks,
he has decent range but TERRIBLE priority.
They took everything away that made Captain Falcon good. Which is why he is so horrid because his weaknesses were never taken away.
The way you present your argument doesn't make it any easier to take you seriously FYI. Especially not with that personal attacks.So I should be taking a Sonic Main's word on Falcon's match-ups? Yeah, no. I'm sorry but you're so stuck in '09 it's barely worth arguing with you, but I'll humor you on the match-ups. At least back up your claims next time instead of saying "Falcon is trash and gets beat down."
You got butter?I could spend XXX minutes preparing a long drawn out arguement on why Samus beats Falcon, but I'd rather just let you and Shadow continue :3.
no.That video was more so of showing how Falcon plays NOW and how the MU IS close to even. Because obviously people are misformed.
You're forced to approach.Most people think "Hmm Falcon... REBAZ going balls-deep aggro" which is not how he plays now.
Congratulations on agreeing with me.Is Ally a better player than Krystadez? Yes. Did Krsystadez get two-stocked? Yes he did.
I call it how it is and I do not sugar coat things.And Shadow, I'm not going to bother arguing with you because you're worse than BPC. Your argument boils down to "youre stupid" and "i play sonic so i obviously know all of falcons mus". Samus walls Falcon? Please. Falcon has better range with up tilt alone.
The fact you continuously bring up the entire issue on my being a Sonic main is onyl an indication of your lack of an argument.Edit: I am deeply dissapointed in you, the BBR for allowing this guy in. Do YOU see his arguments? He can't even type and CLEARLY knows nothing about Falcon. Even some of my Sonic main "friends" says Shadow is wrong 75% of the time.
Falcon's isn't the worst character, to be honest, this only furthers m point on you simply being flat out ignorant and stubborn.Edit 2: Yes, maybe I'm coming off as a Nazi. But when I see people posting DEAD wrong info about Falcon and pretend to know his MUs, then REFUSE to accept he's not the worst character in the game anymore I can go off the deep end.
In mele, Falcon suffered many of the weaknesses he has now. He doesnt have great OOS options, and certainly did not have the priority to be directly offensive (outside of the knee which is Godly).I did not know this.
I thought it was the other way around?
It'd probably be more accurate if you replaced "Captain Falcon" With "Melee" in this sentence. Or if you're one of those die-hards, "May-Lay!, son!" is fine too.
Now so I don't set off anybody, it seems to me that Falcon only seems worse because of the different engine. I don't think he as his own character has changed that much from the transition.
Agreed. It was pretty legit and a good read.wow the Lucas discussion wasn't bad at all. ^.^
In the Wolf BBR Character Discussion, which has been dead lately.What do the BBR members have to say about the Wolf/MK match-up synopsis by Seagull I posted earlier in the thread?