Brawl-: 1.5-1.6 thread archive. 2.0 is stickied

[Blatt Blvd]

IMO Bowser is fine.

As of now(could change in the future) Bowser mains are going to force opponents to play more than one character.

And, in turn, the Koopa main will have to learn another character too(prolly).

 

[XPretzelman]

wait does riivolution look in the same place the file patcher did for replacement files?

 

[Rkey]

I'll make a Riivolution package once I get my new comp, which will be in a couple of days.

 

[Hozu]

wait does riivolution look in the same place the file patcher did for replacement files?

You could setup the XML file to work that way if you want, yeah.

 

[Nelo Vergil]

A couple of old videos that finally got put up. Both of us are better, but meh, may as well show them. Wifi, so any stupid mistakes and such likely involved lag and learning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZQ9ONwhIsk Ganondorf vs Falcon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDTzSJHeYSk Bowser vs Falcon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk-vru2AvD0 Link vs Falcon

I have a lot of others, that Ill put up....eventually

 

[overgamer]

A couple of old videos that finally got put up. Both of us are better, but meh, may as well show them. Wifi, so any stupid mistakes and such likely involved lag and learning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZQ9ONwhIsk Ganondorf vs Falcon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDTzSJHeYSk Bowser vs Falcon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk-vru2AvD0 Link vs Falcon

I have a lot of others, that Ill put up....eventually

pretty cool match!

 

[XPretzelman]

i got riivolution to work

seems that it cant read sc_selectcharacter.pac (pretty sure the name is wrong but you know the one i mean)

is that file have a '_en' tag on disc or something?

 

[stingers]

so i won a brawl- money match today with pit against a bowser
shot one arrow, then infinite up b'd under the stage until he tried to hit me in desperation then i went to the top where you can't possibly accidentally screw up and kill yourself

then he cp'd pictochat (i banned yoshis :3)
so i just camped until i could kill with one fsmash and did it again

what a fun character

 

[Nelo Vergil]

If Planking is banned, that should clearly be banned....well, it should clearly be fixed, but for now, banned

 

[Akuma2120]

Ok but I also have other codes for a custom CSS I need so can anyone provide a .txt file of the codes for Brawl - that's compatible with a code manager?

Also, this was ignored but still wondering, why does Ganon's neutral standing A have no hitboxes?

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

You mean the texture from stack smash? Yes I am. I think it's just a few textures that keep making it crash because it crashes every time I try to play toon link and ness and a few of the stages.

No, I mean the method of loading sans HBC.

All of his important moves go through with the exception of nair and jabs :/


...Dedede doesn't get destroyed usually. Bowser is viable if you play him right, we just need someone to be dedicated and pick him up and show everyone that.

The parallel I was trying to draw is that when DDD can CG you, you are probably in trouble. If he can't, you're not really going to have too too much trouble unless you suck anyways.

Im just wondering. (I did use the search button)
Is this SDHC compatible. Ive got Brawl+ to work with it but that was with an updatifier and homebrew. (not sure if I installed Riivolution or not)
So yeah o.o

Riivolution.

Why does Ganondorf's neutral A do nothing?

Also, I can't make a .gct out of the .txt file provided, when I open it up in a code manager it says it's empty, even if I delete all those stars, and I need some codes out like the file patch because I use Riivolution

Not having either of those problems. Jab has a hitbox. O.o

so i won a brawl- money match today with pit against a bowser
shot one arrow, then infinite up b'd under the stage until he tried to hit me in desperation then i went to the top where you can't possibly accidentally screw up and kill yourself

then he cp'd pictochat (i banned yoshis :3)
so i just camped until i could kill with one fsmash and did it again

what a fun character

It's being fixed...

But really, we need to fix bowser. Having a character be that polarizing is uncool.

As for the TvC comparison, it doesn't really work. The giants are genuinely slow. And not just slow, STUPIDLY slow. Bowser has quite a few moves that are quite fast-UpB, jab, ftilt, etc... Most of those can kill, too. And if you **** up? Free dsmash/usmash. You can only really risk hitting him with moves that will break through his armor, or else you get punished very, very hard. For some chars, this is not really an option.

 

[MK26]

what you guys need is another character that works on the same gimmick bowser does, but does it in a different way

like a character that has sa on the endlag of all his attacks that dont hit through boozer's sa

that would be a lulzy matchup

 

[Hozu]

i got riivolution to work

seems that it cant read sc_selectcharacter.pac (pretty sure the name is wrong but you know the one i mean)

is that file have a '_en' tag on disc or something?

Actually, it's because it's loaded from common5_en.pac normally. The only reason it loads up through the File Patch Code is because... well I guess that's what PW told it to load instead, idk. To get it to load, you have to open common5.pac, and import it into sc_selectcharacter_en.

 

[standardtoaster]

Actually BPC, I fixed the infinite upB glitch with Pit a long time ago and am just waiting for us to release the next beta. I have a feeling that it may have been caused when a certain someone was hexing some things in for Pit.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

What he said. :V

 

[Sinz]

Actually BPC, I fixed the infinite upB glitch with Pit a long time ago and am just waiting for us to release the next beta. I have a feeling that it may have been caused when a certain someone was hexing some things in for Pit.

What he said. :V

Or you guys not listening to one of your testers....

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Testers are, IMO, severely overrated. Especially high-level snake ones. :V

Also, may I attract attention to exhibit A):

http://brawlminus.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=234

Notice that I stopped halfway through. This is because I am pulling this **** out of my *** and do not know what I'm doing (well, I know that bowser still destroys fox :V). Help is appreciated. :V

 

[standardtoaster]

Here is a fix for Pit's infinite upB. This is not the version that we are testing out in the backroom. This is just the public beta with the fix for infinite upB. (:

 

[XPretzelman]

Actually, it's because it's loaded from common5_en.pac normally. The only reason it loads up through the File Patch Code is because... well I guess that's what PW told it to load instead, idk. To get it to load, you have to open common5.pac, and import it into sc_selectcharacter_en.

thanks good 2 know

 

[Sinz]

Here is a fix for Pit's infinite upB. This is not the version that we are testing out in the backroom. This is just the public beta with the fix for infinite upB. (:

put this in the op

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Done.
10done

 

[En1gmaSPY]

What the hell is up with Squirtles and R.O.Bs n-air? Turtle n-air pretty much negates every other move,and R.O.B's just kills you at stupid low %(But Squirtle n-air is much,much,MUCH more annoying)

 

[XPretzelman]

What the hell is up with Squirtles and R.O.Bs n-air? Turtle n-air pretty much negates every other move,and R.O.B's just kills you at stupid low %(But Squirtle n-air is much,much,MUCH more annoying)

robs nair isnt too changed. its always been beastly, now it just has a little more kick

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Punish the lag on squirtle's nair.

 

[stingers]

robs nair is broken as ****.

 

[zagman505]

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but where does the Pit fix go on the SD card?

EDIT: I think I figured it out, never mind.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

private/...stuff.../fighter/pit. It should replace the old one.

Also, regarding squirtle's nair, I was wrong-I'm playing with a slightly edited, unreleased squirtle. I can imagine that the current squirtle nair is ****ing stupid.

 

[Akuma2120]

So... can anyone tell me why the txt file with the codes won't show up in code manager, as it is I'm using Brawl- .pacs on a Brawl+ codeset because I can't get the Brawl- codeset to work, maybe that's why Ganon's neutral A has no hitbox...

 

[Revven]

So... can anyone tell me why the txt file with the codes won't show up in code manager, as it is I'm using Brawl- .pacs on a Brawl+ codeset because I can't get the Brawl- codeset to work, maybe that's why Ganon's neutral A has no hitbox...

Well no **** because Brawl+ uses the Frame Speed Modifier which speeds up Ganon's jab which since is ALREADY sped up in his .pac for B-... which means it's so fast (likely) it has no hitbox.

Get the actual B- code set.

 

[En1gmaSPY]

R.O.B n-air i can deal with,but this Squirtles n-air gives me problems because it has giganticus megadonized water range and can be spammed for MASSIVE NOT-SO-MUCH-DAMAGE but it's annoying as hell.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

We're more or less aware that squirtle's nair is a ridiculous pain in the ***. My previous statement was working with a nerfed version.

 

[BlueHurricane]

I've been playing B- with a couple friends online, and after a while here's what I think of certain characters. They may not be perfect, or professional or whatnot, but whatever.

Ike is an absolute monster. So far, I consider him one of the best characters in the game. Eruption, despite only seeing about three uses or less per match, is an amazing move. It is one of the best edgeguards in the game, not only because it hits people trying to sweetspot the ledge so easily, but the lingering hitbox hurts them even if they decide to stay on. Using it with aerial quick draw is one of my favorite things to do. Either the enemy spotdodges, leaving them vulnerable, shields, allowing me a shield break, or rolls, which I normally punish by just using it early. I love it. Uair has scored me quite a few surprise kills because of the copter, and Dtilt is actually useful now. I've been using Jab-Jab-Dtilt-Utilt for easy damage, or Jab-Dtilt on the ledge for an easy kill. Not to mention Fair windbox, the complete amazingness of quick draw, and other things.

Ganon is amazing. He wrecks projectile spam with the choke, his dash attack is pure **** on a stick. Fsmash is a very good move, I've used it to edgeguard with quite a bit of success. Although I still don't use Ganon Pawnch often, it's definitely one of the most satisfying moves in the game. I think you've successfully pulled him from his slump to be one of the strongest characters in the game.

There's nothing to say about Captain Falcon except that he is legit awesome. True Sacred Combo, Reverse Sacred Combo, Triple Knee combo on certain characters, his godly speed, the HYESZ, epic taunt, everything about him is absolutely perfect. There is no way you could have pulled him off any better than he is. On top of that, he's quite strong too.

Bowser, like everyone has said, is a mixed bag. I've played one and it can get quite annoying at times. He wrecks characters with lower damage moves, but hard hitters can destroy him. I'm not exaggerating when I say that Ganon's Fsmash is > Bowser. I've managed to triple knee combo him because of his fatness.

Zelda is a spacing goddess now, and I absolutely love using her. When you can kick into a kick, you know you're good. It's always fun spiking enemies from two Bowsers away. While I haven't played Samus much, she overall seems to be quite a strong character, especially that sweetspot Zair. It hurts...a lot. From my experience, all the characters seem quite strong, though. Squirtle and Wario also strike me as currently being very strong, even though Squirtle is getting a nerf as said before. Out of the characters I've seen/played, the two underpowered characters seem to be Metaknight(GASP) and Lucario. I might be wrong, but that's just what I think.

So far, what you've done is amazing. I've had more holycrapthatwashilariouslol moments than any other game. My friend tried to use Bowser's Nair offstage to get my Ike to use a move and gimp myself. I tried to Dtilt him, but the windbox dragged me toward him and I Dair'd him perfectly as he was spiked down to hell. It was so amazing.

Long story short, Brawl Minus is the proest Brawl to exist. Also, I do have a few replays on me, but they're all .bin files. I can upload if you want.

 

[stingers]

hey go play rob and you'll start hating this game
because he's way too broken.

 

[BlueHurricane]

hey go play rob and you'll start hating this game
because he's way too broken.

I played ROB, but I honestly don't think he's that annoying to play against.

 

[stingers]

ignorance is bliss

 

[BlueHurricane]

ignorance is bliss

Eh, I lost against a ROB before. He's certainly good, but he's not really rageworthy. I think you're just overexaggerating.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Agree with almost everything in that post except for that MK is underpowered. Granted, you have to be in your opponent's face a lot, but have you really been pushing your limits?

Jab, Dtilt, Ftilt, and pretty much every other move he has is lightning fast and safe on shield.
Dtilt is a RIDICULOUS combo starter.
Buffed air speed for better follow-ups
Jab->dtilt is an almost guaranteed shield poke
You can jump/attack out of specialfall as if you were sonic
Shuttle loop is still a stupidly good dragon punch
etc.

This put together means a few things.

1. If MK gets on you, get the **** out of there. Blocking him? Bad move. Taking the hit? REALLY bad move.
2. If you get hit by MK, you are going to take a LOT of damage. His combo game is brutal, and the followups possible with two glides and his ****ing absurd tornado/SL are sick.
3. MK's gimp game is even better-if you're offstage against MK, prepare to die. Really, really dead.

MK is not underpowered. I'd place him as top tier, in fact.

Also ROB is a ****ing monster and you're foolish to think otherwise.

 

[theunabletable]

Yeah MK is really good.

What's so godly about ROB, though? I mean he's obvious really, really good, but what puts him so far above the cast?

For instance what can ROB do to MK close up? MK doesn't have trouble approaching, you can SDI down and tech the laser. What can ROB do once MK gets all up in his face?

 

[[TSON]]

nair

nair like mad son

 

[stingers]

What can ROB do once MK gets all up in his face?

why would that happen? lol. rob just runs away with side b (with cancel), up b (you can airdodge now, which makes it just lmao). then he nairs you and you lose your stock. or hell just nair right away. ****ing nair.