Brawl+ Faq

[BKupa666]

The thing is, what could they do to stop it besides what they've already been doing to stop homebrew? They can try to stop people from installing the hbc by fixing their firmware and auto-updating it, and eventually they will probably even be able to render the hbc useless through a firmware update. But if everyone using the hbc has the 3.2 firmware and refuse to update their wiis, then nintendo will never be able to stop anything.

Good. I really don't have much technical background at all, so this is a relief to hear.

 

[SketchHurricane]

It sounds interesting, but I think it's being taken in the wrong direction. It sounds like it's trying to make Brawl more into Melee (l-cancels, a more pronounced ledge game, hitstun etc.), but the real issues of Brawl are not being taken care of it seems. And that's balance. The game requires more balance, so while it's amazing that people can combo now (about time), it won't mean squat because the balance of the roster is too far out of whack.

I think that should be the number 1 priority with this code. Changes like how fast you fall, gravity, or whatever are very cosmetic and do not address the real issues with this game.

I can't help but notice that you really sound like someone who hasn't even tried Brawl+ yet. Most will tell you that the universal changes that are being applied shave a big chunk off of the balancing effort already, as Yeroc mentioned. The biggest example being characters designed for combos in a comboless VB now having a chance in B+ (fox, CF, ect.).

 

[Finns7]

Do the stage freeze codes effect online

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

Do the stage freeze codes effect online

no

10wrongthreadtopostquestionsins

 

[Oshtoby]

Hey, long time lurker, first time poster. I would just like to comment on something.

I like Brawl better than Melee. *Gasp!* I know, I know, I said something "bad". So I was hesitant to try Brawl+. In fact, I was ANGRY that you would take my favorite game and, as I saw it, try and make it Melee 2.0. But then I saw that you were taking out the Melee Air Dodge, so I realized you couldn't be purposefully making Melee 2.0. I then gave Brawl+ a shot, with the intent on saying "Oh, this is horrible! This new engine is gonna be used in tournaments, I'm gonna have to relearn the whole game, blah blah blah!"

I just have to say this: I don't think I've ever had more fun playing Brawl. The game was fast, furious, and even better, you can combo like crazy. I would turn the buffering code off, but other than that, it was amazing.

To the developers: you're doing God's work, gentlemen. The best of luck to you.

To anyone who is dissing it: give it a shot, first. If you don't like it, you can play normal Brawl.

 

[Almas]

I'm really glad to hear that someone would try it out and enjoy it.

It almost makes me motivated to get back to work instead of browsing forums.

Nyeh.

 

[Ange]

Quick question;

Where is all the PAL versions if these codes?

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I found no link in the OP.

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

Quick question;

Where is all the PAL versions if these codes?

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I found no link in the OP.

http://www.usbgecko.com/codes/index.php?r=e&c=RSBP01#2

i swear i put it in the OP. updating now.

 

[mister_subarashi]

Could it be possible for someone to create a basic gct and txt file with codes already on it for the PAL (European) version and add it to the OP?

Some of this stuff is very confusing for a newbie like me... Thanks in advance to anyone that decides to help out!

 

[Makkun]

Hey, long time lurker, first time poster. I would just like to comment on something.

I like Brawl better than Melee. *Gasp!* I know, I know, I said something "bad". So I was hesitant to try Brawl+. In fact, I was ANGRY that you would take my favorite game and, as I saw it, try and make it Melee 2.0. But then I saw that you were taking out the Melee Air Dodge, so I realized you couldn't be purposefully making Melee 2.0. I then gave Brawl+ a shot, with the intent on saying "Oh, this is horrible! This new engine is gonna be used in tournaments, I'm gonna have to relearn the whole game, blah blah blah!"

I just have to say this: I don't think I've ever had more fun playing Brawl. The game was fast, furious, and even better, you can combo like crazy. I would turn the buffering code off, but other than that, it was amazing.

To the developers: you're doing God's work, gentlemen. The best of luck to you.

To anyone who is dissing it: give it a shot, first. If you don't like it, you can play normal Brawl.

I think this entire post should be quoted somewhere important! Front page, maybe?

 

[Shell]

I agree that it deserves a quote on the OP.

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

i saw that. it made me smile. perhaps it'll make others smile too.

 

[Shell]

You might also want to update "Dash Dancing" since we now have true dash dancing.

Also, you might consider adding links to a few "moderate" videos (i.e. Kupo's code set) and a few faster paced videos [your videos (which are excellent)].

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

Also, you might consider adding links to a few "moderate" videos (i.e. Kupo's code set) and a few faster paced videos [your videos (which are excellent)].

can you clarify what you mean?

 

[Shell]

Kupo's code set features no alterations to shorthops, fastfall, dashspeed, or gravity other than 1.1 down. This creates a slower feel than the videos you posted recently. I feel that until such a time as there is no dispute on a competitive set (ever?), it is worth showcasing both.

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

kupo's vid's are like the first two ones lol

 

[Shell]

I'm an idiot. I completely missed the Are there any vids? question. Nothing to see here. Move along.

 

[MookieRah]

I think my codes should be posted somewhere, seeing as how I've had 2 requests to post them so far about 5 minutes after mentioning I made alterations to Kupo's set XD.

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

what we need to do is make one unified codelist.

 

[MookieRah]

As in one set of codes that is "the set" or as in a master list of the competitive codes? If the later is what you are asking for, then it's already in the Brawl Agenda thread. If you are asking for the former, I don't think we can all agree on that yet. The good news is that most of it is universal, barring a few minor changes, mostly dealing with stun, dash speed, shield stuffs, fast fall speed, and a few other things.

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

As in one set of codes that is "the set" or as in a master list of the competitive codes? If the later is what you are asking for, then it's already in the Brawl Agenda thread. If you are asking for the former, I don't think we can all agree on that yet. The good news is that most of it is universal, barring a few minor changes, mostly dealing with stun, dash speed, shield stuffs, fast fall speed, and a few other things.

i see. can you link me your codeset? hopefully whenever you update it it's in the same place so i don't need to change the FAQ everytime

also: get on irc

 

[MookieRah]

Blah, I don't do IRC. Not mah thang. Here are my codes though.

RSBE01
Smash Bros Brawl (US)

Level Freeze/Reverse Picto, CSiege, Wware, PS2, Pirate, Norfair[Phantom Wings/Almas, 11 Lines]
* 4A000000 90000000
* 1416A904 00000000
* 22623090 00000024
* 22623090 00000019
* 1416A904 BF800000
* 22623090 00000009
* 22623090 0000000B
* 22623090 00000014
* 22623090 0000001C
* 1416A904 3F800000
* E0000000 80008000

PW Merger Code [Phantom Wings, Almas, 107 Lines]
* 80000000 80623320
* 80000001 00000000
* 60000006 00000000
* 60000003 00000001
* 4A001000 00000000
* 4A101001 00000000
* 32000000 0000001C
* 025A9310 00000001
* 32000001 0000000F
* 025A9312 00000001
* E2000001 00000000
* 36000000 00000032
* 58010000 00000004
* DE000000 80008180
* 58010000 00000060
* DE000000 80008180
* 92210006 00000014
* 92210007 00000014
* 92210008 00000068
* 92210005 00000070
* 92210002 0000007C
* 92210003 00000018
* 92210009 00000070
* 9221000A 0000007C
* 9221000B 00000014
* 9001000E 00000000
* 58010000 000000C4
* 9221000C 00000010
* 4A000000 805A0100
* 9221000D 00000000
* 88A0000C 0000000D
* 4A00100A 00000000
* 30000036 00000018
* 4A00100B 00000000
* 9221000D 00000040
* 8890000D 0000000C
* 9421000D 00000040
* E2000001 00000000
* 4800100E 0000007C
* 30000038 00000074
* 86000006 00000040
* 86910006 40000000
* E2000001 00000000
* 4800100E 0000007C
* 30000038 00000005
* 4A001008 00000000
* 3400003C BF266666
* 4A001007 00000000
* 14000040 4F000000
* E2000002 00000000
* 4800100E 00000068
* 30000154 00000009
* 1400015C 00000001
* 14000150 00000001
* E2000001 00000000
* 4800100E 0000007C
* 285A9312 FFFE0001
* 58010000 0000002C
* 92210004 00000004
* 4A001002 00000000
* C078172C 0000000B
* 9421FF80 BC410008
* 3C808000 60841808
* 80A40008 80C4000C
* 80E40010 C0060010
* C026001C FC000840
* 40810014 890700D4
* 7108007F 990700D4
* 4800000C 890700D5
* 990700D4 B8410008
* 38210080 4E800020
* 60000000 00000000
* 34000038 00000111
* E2000002 00000000
* 4800100E 00000008
* 20001810 0000001D
* 14017FB0 4F000000
* 20001811 0000001E
* 14016300 4F000000
* 20001811 0000001F
* 14011124 4F000000
* E2000001 00000000
* 4800100E 0000007C
* 285A9310 FFFE0001
* 34000038 00000042
* 36000038 00000049
* 4A001009 00000000
* 58010000 00000024
* 58010000 0000000C
* 1400001C 00000088
* 14000018 00000088
* E2000003 00000000
* 4800100E 0000007C
* 30000038 00000073
* 4A001005 00000000
* 58010000 00000020
* 92210005 0000001C
* 86310005 FFFFFFF7
* E2000001 00000000
* 4800100E 0000007C
* 80100001 00000008
* 62000000 00000001
* E200000F 00000000
* 80000001 00000000
* 80100000 00000244
* 62000000 00000000
* E0000000 80008000

ASM Codes

Autosweetspot Ledges [Phantom Wings, 6 Lines]
* C278172C 00000002
* 98030001 80010014
* 60000000 00000000
* C27816E0 00000002
* 98030001 80010014
* 60000000 00000000

Hitstun [Phantom Wings, 3 Lines]
* C276CCD4 00000002
* C022FFE0 EF7C0072
* 60000000 00000000

Dash Dancing [Phantom wings,5 Lines]
* C271F474 00000004
* 81830058 2C0C000E
* 4182000C C0230040
* 48000008 FC20D090
* 60000000 00000000

Perfect Shield Window Modifier [Spunit262, 6 Lines]
C27ACF7C 00000005
2C030008 40800018
83FF007C 83FF0038
2C1F001A 40A20008
38600003 7C7F1B78
60000000 00000000

Short Hop Height/Dash Speed/Fastfall Speed Multiplier [Almas, 9 Lines]
* C285765C 00000008
* 3FC0805A 3BDE7304
* 2C002F20 4082000C
* C3FE2000 EC3F0072
* 2C002F00 4082000C
* C3FE2004 EC3F0072
* 2C002F5C 4082000C
* C3FE2008 EC3F0072
* 4E800020 00000000

P.Trainer No Swap on Death [Y.S. & Phantom Wings, 11 Lines]
* C2816AF4 0000000A
* 3E408062 3A523320
* 3A60FFFF 3E730001
* 7E732038 1E730244
* 7E529A14 80120000
* 2C00001D 41800024
* 2C000022 4181001C
* 2C170115 41820014
* 38A5FFFF 2C050000
* 40800008 38A00002
* 7C0802A6 00000000

Shield Stun V8.1 [spunit262, 6 Lines]
* C28753FC 00000005
* 83810034 80830138
* 2C040000 41810014
* 1F9C000D 3B9C0016
* 38800005 7F9C23D6
* 60000000 00000000

Hitlag Modifier [Phantom Wings, Almas, spunit262] 8 lines
* C2771EAC 00000003
* 1C840005 38840014
* 39C0000A 7C8473D6
* 2C040000 00000000
* C2876220 00000003
* 1C840005 38840014
* 39C0000A 7C8473D6
* 80660064 00000000

Constant Writes

Hitstun +8%/Shorthop Height +0%/Dash Speed +17%/Fastfall Speed +1.135
* 065A9300 00000010
* 3EF5C28F 3F800000
* 3F95C28F 3F9147AE

Downwards Gravity
* 04641524 3FA00000

No Stale Moves/Keep Fresh Bonus
* 02FC098A 00110000

Shield Gain Modifier
* 04B88454 3D4CCCCD

Tripping Rate Modifier
* 0481CB34 C0220020
* 045A9340 00000000

The differences between mine and Kupo's set are as follows:

Downgravity is at 1.25 instead of 1.1 (1.1 is still way too floaty IMO. Down gravity doesn't mess up recoveries as much as it sounds on paper either.)

8% hitstun as opposed to 8.5% (my set needs less stun to get combos due to down grav increase)

Dash speed is at 1.17 instead of 1.2 (I think 1.2 was a bit too fast for the likes of CF, had a lot of complaints from my roommates cause it was too easy to tech chase. I might drop it to 1.5% in the future)

1.135 fast fall instead of 1.1 (I like my fast falls fast. I lowered this a bit from before so it's not as bad off the ledge. It was actually not bad before, but because of the c-stick down nonsense making you fast fall many people complained)

More stages frozen/reversed. I think I have Castle Siege, Pirate ship, and Norfair added to that.

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

can you make it into a nice little link using your purple powers so that it doesn't clutter up the faq?

 

[Shell]

I suggest something similar to what Osi said a while ago. Three different "standards" for now:

Mild - kupo's (closer to vBrawl)

Moderate - Mookie's or Almas's (additional gravity / dash speed / FF speed / shorthop mod )

Dramatic - Osi's set (1.4 dash / .8 SH / 1.2 FF / possibly highest gravity

While I see Kupo's likely used right now for tournaments due to its closer resemblance to Brawl and thus inherently greater accessibility, I and others probably won't budge too far from a faster set (Moderate/Dramatic).

 

[MookieRah]

can you make it into a nice little link using your purple powers so that it doesn't clutter up the faq?

Purple power is just SBR access. I used to be a mod, but I am no longer. When I was a mod I was only mod for Atlantic South, so yeah, I don't have any special abilities :-P.

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

I suggest something similar to what Osi said a while ago. Three different "standards" for now:

Mild - kupo's (closer to vBrawl)

Moderate - Mookie's or Almas's (additional gravity / dash speed / FF speed / shorthop mod )

Dramatic - Osi's set (1.4 dash / .8 SH / 1.2 FF / possibly highest gravity

While I see Kupo's likely used right now for tournaments due to its closer resemblance to Brawl and thus inherently greater accessibility, I and others probably won't budge too far from a faster set (Moderate/Dramatic).

well, i think we should kind of get this game feeling as fast as possible. the "mild" set is good for getting people acquainted, but we really need to instill the fact that brawl is a fast paced game. we need to do what we can to make it feel as fast as possible but keep it reasonable.

and having so many different codesets would just be confusing for someone who isn't familiar with it.. we should try to keep it simple. we need to discuss this!

in the mean time, im just gonna link to that post mookie, keep it updated.

 

[MookieRah]

Just looking at Osi's set makes me wonder what the heck is going on. Also, Kupo's set is only mild in comparison with my set and Osi's. It's still a drastic change from vBrawl. I think you should post mine and Kupo's.

 

[kupo15]

haha, i guess mine is "mild" but I may slowly be turning up the spice...I'm giving 1.1 dash a try

 

[plasmatorture]

I use 1.05 up grav, 1.1 down grav, .9 shorthop, 1.15 dash, 1.1 fastfall, and currently .49 hitstun. What does that make me?

 

[Wumbo]

Hello Smash Boards!

I read threads on smashboards very often, but nothing before has ever motivated me to post. I am a senior in high school and have a group with me who have been smashing for years. We started playing advanced after seeing the youtube video tutorial, we looked up to you guys for a long time. Me and about 5 others have had great times smashing. but since we are still in high school we never really went to tournaments. We decided Brawl would be our time to shine. I have went to one tournament. It was a small brawl tourney in chicago. I think it was called "Articuno confirmed for brawl." I love watching smash, i've spent hours in a row watching youtube matches that are uploaded on some of the big name smashers accounts. I could not sit through the brawl finals. My eyes and ears were distracted by the 1$ MM in melee going on in the corner. And suprisingly more people were crowded around the gamecube and the minitv then the brawl finals.

I didn't want to go back, and I didn't really, I played other smash games every now and then for nostalgia, sometimes with my crew. I spiritually left it while getting hyped for brawl, and brawl just wasn't as exciting or fun as it could have been. While playing brawl i felt like there was a lot of depth in each character, there was just a wall separating me from the characters depth.

While watching WOMBO COMBO!!!!!! I saw a link to this thread and checked it out.

I had no problem getting brawl+ running on my wii within 30 minutes.

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!!!! I owe the creators of this so much, the least i can do is give you one big e-pat on the back.

SERIOUSLY we are all in love with it! I know no one here probably knows any of us but you've changed our senior year and I'm going to college with a few of em and we are gonna play this a ton!!!

It is like the brawl we hyped ourselves up for is finally out. One of my friends went out and bought a copy of brawl because he sold it a week after it came out.

My friend said tonight "Oh my God Wolf is playing like I wanted him to play a year ago!"

And me in love with captain falcons epic manliness couldnt be happier with how he plays. He is by no means OP but he is fun again, and that is what is important!

We have started calling Brawl+ "B+" because we find that if we call it Brawl+ we end up calling it brawl for short. Just thought i would throw that out there.

Anyway thanks you have put a skip in my step and a smile on my face for the past few days. And you have unlocked and expanded a game that I see myself playing for years to come as it develops.

A non-gamer asked me about what we were talking about at school and I said I'm really excited because of a video game mod.

he called me a Nerd

and i said "Yes, but a very very happy nerd."

Thank you, I love this project!

also, we should get an IRC channel for this, or maybe if there already is one tell me!

(P.S. how many lines would it take to give Captain Falcon golden nipples?) XD

(P.P.S. We have tried out a lot of code sets and we really like mookies! we each primarily play a different character and we all are very happy with his set, I highly recommend it! but this is just a noobs opinion.)

 

[Enoc.gt]

Someone called u a nerd for playing videogames? Who doesnt play videogames now days!!? what a loser haha

 

[leafgreen386]

It's cool to hear that you're enjoying brawl+ wumbo!

We do have an irc channel already, actually. #brawlplus on gamesurge.net

 

[zxeon]

Welcome Wumbo.

 

[Wumbo]

haha, no he probably called me a nerd because i was so excited while talking about it.

Screw him, im having more fun then he is doing whatever the hell non-gamers do for fun XD.

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

wumbo: nice to see you enjoy it!

at the bottom of the FAQ, there's a link to the irc. you're welcome to chat with us.

 

[Deleted member]

(P.S. how many lines would it take to give Captain Falcon golden nipples?)

For that you'd have to go here.

 

[BrutalBrutal]

Blah, I don't do IRC. Not mah thang. Here are my codes though.

Downgravity is at 1.25 instead of 1.1 (1.1 is still way too floaty IMO. Down gravity doesn't mess up recoveries as much as it sounds on paper either.)

8% hitstun as opposed to 8.5% (my set needs less stun to get combos due to down grav increase)

Dash speed is at 1.17 instead of 1.2 (I think 1.2 was a bit too fast for the likes of CF, had a lot of complaints from my roommates cause it was too easy to tech chase. I might drop it to 1.5% in the future)

1.135 fast fall instead of 1.1 (I like my fast falls fast. I lowered this a bit from before so it's not as bad off the ledge. It was actually not bad before, but because of the c-stick down nonsense making you fast fall many people complained)

More stages frozen/reversed. I think I have Castle Siege, Pirate ship, and Norfair added to that.

I think that Mookie's codeset is hands down the best codeset currently being considered as a standard. I like my dashing and fastfalls slightly faster, and my hitstun higher (10%, though my downward gravity is set to 1.12) , but this set is eminently sensible, neither too drastic or too mild (as kupo's is imo). I like the greater number of stages reversed as well. I would back this codeset over any other presently proposed set, and I urge others to do so.

The one thing that I see as being seriously wrong with this set is the shorthop height being 1. Please try 0.9; It helps characters with high shorthops immensely and makes for a better ground-to-aerial game.

 

[Makkun]

Haha. After reading Wumbo's post, I think we need a thread dedicated to, or a section in the OP of this thread, that has links to posts that describe how awesome Brawl+ is, and how it's changing people's lives! XD

 

[MookieRah]

Please try 0.9; It helps characters with high shorthops immensely and makes for a better ground-to-aerial game.

Many people have complained to me a lot about the shorthop height still being at 1. I say to them that it nerfs some characters. I know that .9 helps more characters than it hurts, but from what Almas has said it's just a matter of time before we have character specific codes, and when that comes around I'll apply individual short hop heights that are preferable for most characters. I will probably set an almost global .9 and then keep characters like Mario, Ganon, maybe CF (honestly I have grown accustomed to his current short hop, and while it's more awkward at first, I question if a .9 short hop is actually better), and etc at one.

I would also like to apply up gravity for some characters, although that will be a bit more controversial. Then again, it would bring back "fast fallers" and I'm pretty sure we can come up with a list of characters that people wouldn't mind being fast fallers. Keep in mind this might be a passive buff, but it would also nerf their recovery, so I think if we make minor fine tuned changes for characters (like saying that nobodies up grav gets altered more than by more than 10%) people would end up liking it.

 

[Dark Sonic]

I personally hated 0.9 SH when I tried it.

I play Sonic, Ike, and Marth, all of which lose more than they gain from lower shorthops.

Sonic loses his SH fair, which is pretty much a staple to his combo game.

Ike loses his SH Bair, which is his only fast kill move .

Marth loses his SH double fair, which isn't that important, but still irritating (I can't do fair->uair combos)