I'm working on finding more situations to use Fair in (most of them that I've found involve using it to start a frame trap, zoning, or replacing Bair as a punishment). Dair/Fair is actually a very solid mix-up if the opponent is content to sit in shield when you jump in front of them.
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∫unk
Smash Master
land with f-air vs shield grab happy opponents - free grab for you :D
The problem is when people have a good reaction time and don't just shield grab something touching their shield.
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Reverend Tech_Chase would like to call a meeting tonight on Aim/Skype if anyone has the time.
∫unk
Smash Master
yup! most of the time i wouldn't recommend it but considering i've tricked some of the best players in the game with it, i think it's safe to say it can be used in specific situations against anybody.
of course, most attacks out of shield can punish it. it's a very specific but very meaty punish.
of course, most attacks out of shield can punish it. it's a very specific but very meaty punish.
I was going to try to participate until I realized the difference in time zone(s) haha.
allshort17
Smash Ace
I'm all up for that. I just need to know when anyone is getting on.
GRI3VER
Smash Cadet
I want to know with which Controls you Guys play.
Stickjump on, R or L Attack etc.
Stickjump on, R or L Attack etc.
Le vieux lapin
Smash Ace
Its normal for me, except I have tap jump off to better use utilt.
Also sry I have not been on lately guys, I have been really busy with non-smash stuff.
Still working on my Ultimate KO threshhold research.
Also sry I have not been on lately guys, I have been really busy with non-smash stuff.
Still working on my Ultimate KO threshhold research.
MysteryRevengerson
IT'S A MYSTERY TO ALL
Tap jump off, Special set to X
dean.
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Rumble off.
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Lets try to do this tonight then. What's a good time for everyone? (state your time zone)
Also my controls:
R to attack (for easier JC Upsmash from Down-throw...also for easy DACUS for other characters)
Y to Grab (feels better to me and I only jump with X)
Z to Shield (easier shield cancel CGs)
No Tap Jump.
Everything else standard.
Also my controls:
R to attack (for easier JC Upsmash from Down-throw...also for easy DACUS for other characters)
Y to Grab (feels better to me and I only jump with X)
Z to Shield (easier shield cancel CGs)
No Tap Jump.
Everything else standard.
MysteryRevengerson
IT'S A MYSTERY TO ALL
EST.
I'm good for any time once it's 8ish
I'm good for any time once it's 8ish
Supreme Dirt
King of the Railway
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Two different controllers, since I'm always forgetting my GCC places.
GCC: R-grab, Z-attack
CCPro: L-Special, ZL-Shield, R-Attack, ZR-Grab, Y-Special, B-Grab
Also TC I work tonight.
Xubble
Smash Ace
I use standard controls for D3. Same for everybody except Lucas, who I use B-stick with.
And I also work tonight. Sorry, guys. :\
And I also work tonight. Sorry, guys. :\
Zekeishere
Smash Ace
I use the standard controls. 
Beef sets c stick to attack, and it allows him do do some pretty neat stutter step tilts. I looks really cool and I've been thinking about it a lot lately.
Beef sets c stick to attack, and it allows him do do some pretty neat stutter step tilts. I looks really cool and I've been thinking about it a lot lately.
∫unk
Smash Master
i hate how it makes you jump T-T
for friendlies i don't bother to put my name in but for tournament i play with tap off
only unique thing i do is sometimes use claw grip
so i was looking at some diddy ranges on moves... is his dash attack the same length as our f-tilt? o_o
i'll update the ddd vs mk thread tonight
for friendlies i don't bother to put my name in but for tournament i play with tap off
only unique thing i do is sometimes use claw grip
so i was looking at some diddy ranges on moves... is his dash attack the same length as our f-tilt? o_o
i'll update the ddd vs mk thread tonight
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So THATS how Seibrik does those stutter step tilts.
I'll try it.
Wow the timing is very strict for this but I can get it...I've ALWAYS wanted to learn how to stutter step F-Tilt :D
Okay Beefy or Seibrik, someone explain to me how to do this like in full detail input wise. I'm ****ing it up so much. Like I can do it like 3 or 4 times in a row and then I just **** it up.
I'll try it.
Wow the timing is very strict for this but I can get it...I've ALWAYS wanted to learn how to stutter step F-Tilt :D
Okay Beefy or Seibrik, someone explain to me how to do this like in full detail input wise. I'm ****ing it up so much. Like I can do it like 3 or 4 times in a row and then I just **** it up.
Xubble
Smash Ace
A stutter step is basically making slight horizontal movements before you execute an attack. It's a great way to space moves. Ganondorf and C. Falcon are notorious for their variation of the stutter step, the salmon smash, which is basically a giant movement forward before doing their fsmash. It covers a fair amount of distance.
I've never seen stutter step tilts, but mastering it with D3's ftilt will be my next priority. :D
I've never seen stutter step tilts, but mastering it with D3's ftilt will be my next priority. :D
Zekeishere
Smash Ace
Beef does it with down tilt too and hits tornado quite frequently. I'm reluctant to switch my controls because it's so much harder to d throw -> jc u smash with this.
And yeah I use claw for 2 things. To lagless side B with falco and to jc u smash.
And yeah I use claw for 2 things. To lagless side B with falco and to jc u smash.
dean.
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I use claw a fair bit. Mostly if I ever feel like fullhop dairing onto a Battlefield platform, but for nearly all fullhop aerials apart from that.
∫unk
Smash Master
by tonight i mean yesterday's tomorrow night... so tonight
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This is a good example of how you stutter step F-Tilt. Someone brought this video to my attention months ago.
http://youtu.be/T8iI5FAk4Og?t=7m12s
Stutter stepping a tilt is so much harder though because you can screw up and either Dash attack or Jab. Its tricky but I feel like itd be amazing for zoning and mindgames when I do master this.
http://youtu.be/T8iI5FAk4Og?t=7m12s
Stutter stepping a tilt is so much harder though because you can screw up and either Dash attack or Jab. Its tricky but I feel like itd be amazing for zoning and mindgames when I do master this.
Xubble
Smash Ace
I'm free right now if somebody wants to have some WiFi practice with me. :D
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Day 2 of Stutter Step Tilt Practice:
I seem to be doing better than last night. I wonder how long it takes to master this...But I think I have a better understanding input wise.
I seem to be doing better than last night. I wonder how long it takes to master this...But I think I have a better understanding input wise.
Le vieux lapin
Smash Ace
Seibrik's video made it look like a pretty neat trick. I am gonna
give it a try too, since I use ftilt for everything.
give it a try too, since I use ftilt for everything.
I think that Seibrik has normal controls. You don't need to set C-Stick to attack in order to "stutter step" tilts. It's easiest for Dtilt though because you can use a corner to make Dtilt with or without C-Stick. It's pretty much a staple of characters like ZSS. If you want to find a frame guide on how to do it then I think that there's a guide somewhere on true pivoting. It's worth learning and has a lot of uses.
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I forgot about True Pivots to be honest. I need to find some kind of way to do this more consistently. I want to keep my C-stick to smash if I can.
Hmm I need to learn more about the applications of True Pivot. I forgot I've seen ZSS do it with Down Smash and such.
Hmm I need to learn more about the applications of True Pivot. I forgot I've seen ZSS do it with Down Smash and such.
∫unk
Smash Master
nvm got it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdrBCGWYt9k&feature=feedu
check it out if you want me felix vs asa firefly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdrBCGWYt9k&feature=feedu
check it out if you want me felix vs asa firefly
allshort17
Smash Ace
So, something interesting I found out that may be known or doesn't have much of a use. If you put someone right at the edge of your Inhale range, then do a full hop inhale if you don't hold the button inhale should suck the opponent in, but not into your mouth because the attack cancels before they can. I did it with a stationary full hop and an approaching full hop and they both worked.
Xubble
Smash Ace
I skid cancel to get around the stage. 
Sensei Seibrik
Smash Hero
change c-stick to attack to have a much easier time doing f-tilt/u-tilt
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Yeah I have a way easier time using that method. Its just weird for me to not Smashes set to C-stick. Then again its not like D3s smashes are fast anyway. Or not slow, I should say.
Xubble
Smash Ace
I just don't feel comfortable with anything besides C-stick. I tried A-stick a while back with D3 when I couldn't do tilts very well. Now it's a thoughtless process for me to tilt normally. And the weird jumping thing with A-stick kills the fun. :\
I set C-Stick to attack for easier true pivots with Meta Knight (dash away>Dtilt is ridiculously good for MK/DDD/etc.), but as much as I buffer everything, it's really easy to get jump to come out. The more you buffer, the worse it is, so it's pretty much a double edged sword for improvement.