Final Fantasy Tactics Mafia: Game finally over! Raziek lynched, Town wins! Lego too!

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I'm still busy reading.

I think Xonar would support a claim. I do too. I will give thoughts on Nich once I'm done reading.

I want a full claim. Abilities, character, stone. Everything.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Why would I need to buy time? If you haven't noticed, according to the last vote count there's only 4 votes on me, compared to three on you. I'm not exactly in imminent danger of death here.

Reexamine the situation pal. Two people have expressed interest in voting you but are afraid of majority changing roles.

Claim Nich.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Nich off the top of my head Inferno and I have both said we were willing to vote you but are abstaining from doing so because of the whole 'people needing less votes' thing.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

...how is knowing his stone important?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Oooooooooh, that's another interesting thing about claiming Ramza. Let's here the stone.

 

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Some stones are bound to characters, having him claim stone will be more concrete and possibly make his claim fall apart.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

A nameclaim isn't enough in my book either. A powerful fakeclaim for a scumbag isn't anything new and I know when I hosted games I'd give scum some main characters as fake claim too. You should claim your abilities.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I've got more than just that to call that claim bull**** with, Gheb.

Where'd you go, Nich?

 

[Raziek]

Nich should full claim.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm overcooking my tacos here, c'mon.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Alright, fine. I didn't bother to crumb (Didn't even know it was a main character until I checked the wiki), since the role itself isn't that great. I picked time mage for level 2, and my level 1 class is Squire, with a one-shot investigation, and a one-shot "throw stone" ability, that causes the guy I use it on to target me with whatever (first ability he uses) he uses that night.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Why would I need to buy time? If you haven't noticed, according to the last vote count there's only 4 votes on me, compared to three on you. I'm not exactly in imminent danger of death here.

lol'd @this post

You are in imminent danger of death. Ryker isn't.

 

[Nicholas1024]

My stone is VIRGO, by the way. No idea if that's important.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I really don't understand the Stone part either tbh. How are they related to claims? Via flavor?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

What is the investigation ability called? Details, Nich.

 

[Nicholas1024]

I have no idea how they're related. Haven't played the games, so maybe it's an in-char joke or something.

Then again, it's not like one associated Ike with census-taking coroner either...

And my investigating ability is literally called investigate.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Alright, fine. I didn't bother to crumb (Didn't even know it was a main character until I checked the wiki), since the role itself isn't that great. I picked time mage for level 2, and my level 1 class is Squire, with a one-shot investigation, and a one-shot "throw stone" ability, that causes the guy I use it on to target me with whatever (first ability he uses) he uses that night.

So ... you're basically a lightning rod with the abilities of the classes you chose?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Plus investigation ...?

 

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I really don't understand the Stone part either tbh. How are they related to claims? Via flavor?

Yes they are. This one makes sense though. Virgo is Ultima's stone, who is the final boss, and thus the exact opposite of Ramza.
However, it could also be that Nich is Ultima and then Ramza would make sense as a fake-claim.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Um, I'm basically a 1-shot cop with a 1-shot redirection to self, + time mage level 2 ability.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Wow, the stone he has is the one linked to one of the primary antagonists.

Virgo was Wiegraf's stone and allowed him to become Velius.

For the record, Ramza has no Zodiac because you pick his birthday.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Yes they are. This one makes sense though. Virgo is Ultima's stone, who is the final boss, and thus the exact opposite of Ramza.
However, it could also be that Nich is Ultima and then Ramza would make sense as a fake-claim.

Are you sure about that?

 

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The wiki told me that Virgo is bound to Ultima.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Ultima_(Final_Fantasy_Tactics)
"She is given the title Angel of Blood and is associated with the Virgo Zodiac Stone."

 

[Nicholas1024]

So, OS made the main character's stone that of the main villain and made my role a believable fake claim?

Well played, OS, well played.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

The wiki told me that Virgo is bound to Ultima.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Ultima_(Final_Fantasy_Tactics)
"She is given the title Angel of Blood and is associated with the Virgo Zodiac Stone."

Googled it.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Virgo

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yes they are. This one makes sense though. Virgo is Ultima's stone, who is the final boss, and thus the exact opposite of Ramza.

How does it make sense then if it's the "exact opposite" then? 0_0

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EBWOP: You're right.

 

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The Main Character is usually the character to slay the final boss. The direct opposition is a relation.

I think the stone is null. It could go either way.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm really not sure how much value I should give the whole stone / flavor thing. Would probably be more conclusive to look for a way to check if Nich is lying about his abilities or not. And if he can if there's a way to conclude whether it's more likely to be town or scum.

 

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By the way, this is Xonar, taking the steering wheel.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Well, there would be the possibility to let me live for a night so I can investigate someone, so even if you lynch me D2 I could at least use my ability.

Of course if the FE parallel continues, I'll probably be role blocked. So yeah.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Do not like lack of crumb of any kind.

Do not like that proving his role involves having a player claim an active ability and therefore be susceptible to whatever. Including a basic roleblock.

Do not like his play.

Do not like his approach to claiming.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Do, however, want his flip.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

vote: Nicholas

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nich, the problem is that you can't even guarantee any successful night action other than the redirect which remains unconfirmeable ...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Not to mention that a scumbag could easily have the same abilities you do in this game.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

No, the problem is that he's played scummy as ****.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

No, the problem is that he's played scummy as ****.

Yeah, that too but I'd really like to find out if there's a pro-town benefit of keeping him around and lynch a lurker / inactive instead. I really doubt it though.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Yeah, that too but I'd really like to find out if there's a pro-town benefit of keeping him around and lynch a lurker / inactive instead. I really doubt it though.

We could, but then we're just almost certainly going to just have to lynch Nich tomorrow.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

We could, but then we're just almost certainly going to just have to lynch Nich tomorrow.

True, true ... I don't see a way to win this game without lynching him. I'm currently considering the risk / reward ratio of keeping him alive and maybe get a clear should he flip town or if there are other ways of getting something out of how claimed powers in case he is town.