Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[Pogogo]

. But its so much easier

 

[Brookman]

it's never better to illusion

I disagree. I would say it is better to illusion when your opponent thinks you will ledge dash ;]


Ledge dash isn't any harder than wavedashing, you just have to approach it as suck. It's just way more risky.


Approach it as a perfect wavedash just really emphasize the down (or away) input to ensure you don't jump/roll/get up off the edge. Just spend a few minutes on it a day or whenever you play practice it in matches. Most importantly, get off the edge AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, to maximize invincibility.


When I was less good at it it was sort of like, I would do and and be surprised that I actualy succeeded and wouldn't act out of it quickly. It has to be a natural motion, so that you can just play out of it like it was nothing.

 

[Druggedfox]

. But its so much easier

Well thats the reason people illusion sometimes; in a tournament situation I can often feel the nerves, and I don't want to risk killing myself. If I'm feeling very smooth usually I'll just go for it, but when I start being more conscious I end up illusioning because if its safe i won't end up dead >_>

But yeah, I more or less agree with unknown; if you can perfect invincible ledgedash, there's hardly ever a reason not to.

 

[JPOBS]

fox's ledgedash is freaking gay to defend against when done well lol
def worth it to learn.

illustion is mostly terrible unless you like...never do it and your opponent is close, then it becomes kinda ok.

 

[Lovage]

illusion from the edge is fine in a lot of matchups, especially against slower characters like PEACH and DOC

your mileage may vary

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'll show you. Willing to bet a huge sum of money on it.

Tested it too.

No need for money, just show me another thing I can shield grab lolol

 

[unknown522]

I disagree. I would say it is better to illusion when your opponent thinks you will ledge dash ;]

reasons it's unsafe:

1. they can react to it and then shield/CC and punish. Or just move back/jump over it and **** you. It is also slower than falco's which gives more time and they can CC it at 120+%.

2. ledge WD is soooo invincible that you can get yourself out of being trapped.

Though I can agree with lovage about it working on slower characters, but ledge WD is always safe as long as you don't mess it up.

 

[makoforce]

Ofcourse, I understand that...and I don't 0-death fox's every time...I mean...I wish I could hahaha, but it is way too risky to go to FD in comparison to yoshi's.

I almost never mess up the CG. All of my CG's end up in deaths unless im sandbagging.

 

[PK Webb]

Lol I like blue fox cuz a lot of ppl don't gotta show blue sum love

 

[Palpi]

Blue is where the *****es are at.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Half baked ledge waveland is still better than Illusion against most characters just because of how ridiculous the net invincibility actually is. Even if you halve it, it's still good lolol.

 

[battousai555]

Why do most people say "red fox" when he's clearly orange?

 

[Druggedfox]

Perhaps people have different interpretations of color; more likely, its because when you're playing teams and select red team, fox is that color >_>

 

[Teczer0]

Because orange = red when you're an angry fox ready to kick the world.

 

[earla]

how many frames of invinicibility do we get from the edge?

are there moves we can use immediately from the edge that are during invincibility? are any completely invincible?

 

[Ocean]

I believe it's 15 frames.

 

[EWC]

Nope it's actually 16.

 

[unknown522]

aww damn, I didn't end up showing you the sheik shield grab thing eric.

completely forgot until I saw your post.

 

[FoxLisk]

um idk for sure what you're asking but. when you grab the ledge you get 30 frames of invulnerability that you can do whatever you want with. the only way to abuse them is by ledgedropping, though. what they're talking about is if you perfect waveland onto the stage you can have 16 frames of invuln to do anything you want.

 

[unknown522]

the other two are talking about after you do the WD from the ledge.

but yeah, I think foxlisk answered the question that was asked.

 

[voorhese]

was just looking up TAS stuff when you posted that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRzyKChSMCw&feature=autofb
Tech skill.

if anyone could explain :30 that'd be cool

he is tapping walk very slightly/fast

 

[TemPesT-]

i just found out i can do this weird freeze walk thing that voorhese was just talking about.

you gotta place your thumb around on one side of your joystick, and your pointer on the other. release your pointer finger and "walk" the joystick by alternating tapping with your pointer and your middle finger... "walking" is just a paintball term, in case your confused, but thats the motion i'm doing to press the stick as fast as possible, as many times as possible. my thumb being in the right place prevents fox from getting into a sprint tho, and he does the little freeze walk thing.. kinda hard to do tho. and i bet this post won't make sense to like 90% of the people who read it :/

just try to put your thumb inbetween the stick and the start button, so you prevent the stick from moving very far, and then tapping the joy stick with your middle and pointer finger as fast as you can

edit: with practice... like 2 minutes, i've becoming really good at it LOL.. hello new taunt.

 

[voorhese]

yeah this is one of those things where even i have to claw in some way for it...i use my right thumb lol

 

[Lovage]

IM SO HYPED FOR POUND HOLY ****

it comes at u in waves

good luck to all the fox players !!!

 

[JPOBS]

lovage i'd like to play u at pound

 

[unknown522]

good luck to you too lovage.

Also, I gotta say that Super Meat Boy is ****. Currently on the 5th world

 

[~Twitch~]

i didn't think CA was going to pound.

 

[qazwer]

I'm good but not great, this may sound like a stupid question, how do you drill shine and waveshine?

 

[KirbyKaze]

You faceroll like a pro.

To waveshine, add down+B before you wavedash.

To drillshine, add down+B after a SHFFL Dair.

 

[voorhese]

to doubleshine add down+B before your down+B

not really though

 

[Jimbo Slice]

yo dawg i heard you like to doubleshine

so i put a down+b before your down+b

so you can shine while you shine

 

[Evoke]

yo dawg i herd u liek 2 dblshine

get it str8

And, when you're drillshining, to practice, go to training mode and attempt a drillshine on the cpu. If the combo thing is more than 1 by the end of the shine, you did it right. If it's 1, then you didn't l-cancel.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

I'm good but not great, this may sound like a stupid question, how do you drill shine and waveshine?

Mmmm, the last few posts seemed not very helpful and/or hard to interpret..

a drill shine, is when you do foxes d-air move, L cancel it, and then you shine. from there is generally a wavedash, also known as waveshining.

waveshine is when you do a shine, and since you can jump out of the shine, you can wavedash out of the shine too. So it's simply just [Shine -> wavedash out of it] the timing is kinda tricky but very easy once you get it down.

 

[Sinji]

good luck to all the fox players at pound V

 

[PK Webb]

wish i cud go to pound welp oh well wish yall the best i hope a fox wins

 

[Silent Wolf]

raynex or unknown, you guys going? we should play more.

 

[KirbyKaze]

they're both going

 

[Silent Wolf]

nice. we should mm. all 3 of u

 

[PK Webb]

how main black strictly fox mains r there????? raynex unknown(even tho he dabbles with the bird) sinji myself??????? any1 else

 

[KirbyKaze]

nice. we should mm. all 3 of u

shit's on like donkey kong