Frame Data!

[~ Gheb ~]

Peach: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=191426

 

[ArcPoint]

Oh alright, I just want to be sure this is accurate -- which it is, thanks =)

 

[JCav]

ok so


i did a d smash hitting a shield and released shield as quickly as i could and there was 13 frames from the time the move hit to the time that the shield was released



is that what i should be doing?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Exactly

10chars

 

[JCav]

ok, ill get to it



o and where should i put this when im done?

 

[Ishiey]

I'd place it next to the attacks, maybe put two sections for one where it hits and the other where it's shielded? Also, after the shield tests are completed, it would be great to have a list of the 'safest' moves to perform on a shield. And also, be sure to tell me when you find out about that claw thing, I'm very curious >.>

 

[ArcPoint]

How long does it take to Shorthop each aerial?

 

[JCav]

you leave the ground on frame 6

 

[~ Gheb ~]

One thing, I'd like to note is, that there is a huge difference, if ftilt hits or misses. If it misses, the cooldown lag ismuch smaller...

 

[ArcPoint]

What about when you jump out of shield? Do you leave the ground as your shield drops or does your shield drop and then 6 frames later you jump... what? xD

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Some startup frames for MK; http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=185726&highlight=frame+data

 

[xX'Mitsurugi'Xx]

Nice work, I can put this to use.

 

[JCav]

What about when you jump out of shield? Do you leave the ground as your shield drops or does your shield drop and then 6 frames later you jump... what? xD

you go straight from shield to jumping animation, so results are the same.



and sorry about the shieldstun data, im working on it now. ive just been busy but i expect to post today or tomorrow

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yesssssss, I can't wait to see it...

 

[JCav]

I'd place it next to the attacks, maybe put two sections for one where it hits and the other where it's shielded? Also, after the shield tests are completed, it would be great to have a list of the 'safest' moves to perform on a shield. And also, be sure to tell me when you find out about that claw thing, I'm very curious >.>

yeah the second hit of wolfs f tilt is disjointed

 

[JCav]

alright shieldlag, there it is.


didnt take me nearly as long as i thought it would, sorry about how long it took

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sweet stuff, man. Now we can finally do comparisions and all that jazz!

 

[Ishiey]

Awesome. Simply awesome. We should make a list of the safest moves to use on shield.

And also, fox's shine comes out faster in the air, how about wolf's shine?

 

[JCav]

And also, fox's shine comes out faster in the air, how about wolf's shine?

just looked at it and no its still the same...


it WOULD have been cool

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Thank you for shield stun!

 

[JCav]

Thank you for shield stun!

anything else?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

...not much for now. If you don't mind, I'll keep posting Links to other chars frame data. Once they're completed too, you could add them in the OP for comparision...

 

[JCav]

...not much for now. If you don't mind, I'll keep posting Links to other chars frame data. Once they're completed too, you could add them in the OP for comparision...

excellent idea. if theres a character that isnt done, i could do it

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Well, I already posted some links all over this thread. Just copy them into the OP. Usually, I'm in almost every character board, so I can keep updating stuff, if you like

 

[Ishiey]

If you can test this too, how long does it take for your shield to come up during a dash, and then shieldgrab? I'm just thinking that running shieldgrab would be better than dash grab, but I don't know much about which has better range. Just another thing to test.

And once again, thanks for the ftilt testing!

 

[§witch]

Running grab has better range simply because you are still moving.

 

[JCav]

If you can test this too, how long does it take for your shield to come up during a dash, and then shieldgrab?

ill test this tonight, im at school so itll be a while

 

[Darth JoBak]

this is a worthy sticky, this is the type of info that belongs on smashboards imo

thank you so much for this, now we can all level up

 

[JCav]

remember, you shield and it cancels the dash, shield goes up on frame 2 and for a dash canceled shield grab you grab on frame 7

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sonic boards frame data: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=196148

 

[Sylvan]

Doesn't the illusion have 3 cancel points? 1 - you just fall nearly on the spot, 2- you go about 1/2 way, 3- you go all the way but fall just before the sweetspot. (then there is normal, uncancelled. )

There are only 2 cancel point listed.

 

[JCav]

i thought there was the short illusion, the long one, and the normal one



and gheb, ill put the other characters frame data in when you get all the characters

 

[Sesshomuronay]

Theres a third way of cancelling it now?

 

[Darth JoBak]

there definitely are three ways of cancelling it, two of them look very similar

great thread again

 

[JCav]

well thanks for the complement but im unaware of this 3rd cancel...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

There seems to be a minor difference in the distance Wolf slides between the 2nd and the 3rd cancel...

 

[Sesshomuronay]

Does it really matter much?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unless somebody can reliably execute the Cancel he wants to...no

 

[Darth JoBak]

I bookmarked this thread

thanks again for posting this info

 

[Mario Moonshine]

Very good thread. Thank you for making this, Jimbo