Ganon's bair outranges ALL of marth's aerials. Fully spaced uair and fair also compete quite well with most of marth's moves, as does ftilt.
thats actually not true. my dolphin is ****ting all over my computer right now so i can't show you hitbox evidence, but the only reason those moves "seem" to out range marth's fair is becuase when marth RUNS AT GANNONDORF they plop him right in the head. In terms of actual range, if marth stood so that hit fair would tip and both characters jumped straight into the air and did their move, you would see that marth's fair would hit and ganon's bair would not. Similar story for uair whether from behind or from in front.
In 2006, Marth combo'd the **** out of Ganon. Not anymore.
why not?
Punishment from Ganon requires only 1 to 2 moves, which not only put ample damage on marth
42% from two unstaled dairs... go on.
but also usually set him up in an awkward situation where he is in danger of losing a stock (at relatively low%).
thats where you lost me. why is marth-the character- in an awkward position? the character has real options (not should i DI this way and get hit or the other way and get hit?) after those 1 or 2 hits.
Unless ur talking about ganon having stage control, then yes, he does. Again i refer back to the part where i said marth has better range than ganondorf, so he has many more options than fox in this situation.
Ganon gets a nice guaranteed follow up from every grab and marth doesn't.
1 hit, i usually perfer taking uair, though i really like when ganon dthrows facing forward at the edge cause i can just eat the backair and gain stage.
Though, i would hardly say marth's grabs arent guaranteed. Dthrow and fthrow tech chase are pretty simple with the huge grab, long dashdance and giant sword. you can tech chase on reaction against pretty much any character. Whats ganon gonna do, jump out? hahahahahahaha
Marth also has a good bit of trouble killing at high% in comparison to Ganon.
its pretty simple against ganon, a lot more than against fox falco or sheik who can usually grab edge before we get there at higher percents and thus avoid kill moves until like 200%. Ganon doesn't really have that luxury.
oh yeah, and the argument about how ganon should never make it back anyways since marth edge guards ganon better than anyone else (lol spike at 10%, ur dead dude hahahahahaha)
How can you be serious? Fox is much faster and much more agile than marth. Fox also has an approach (nair) that is more effective vs Ganon than practically anything Marth has.
Fox can run around better. But as we've seen from players of slower characters, hbox's puff in particular, slower characters
with more range can choke out fox and beat or trade with the nair approach.
?? Punishing is seizing an opportunity that is granted to you when your opponent makes a mistake. There is very little risk involved. Marth has a tad less risk overall in approaching imo but you can't assume that Ganon is going to blindly attack and leave himself open.
exactly what im talking about. the risk of a bait, such as your opponent faking lag in order to make you attack (ganon players are some of the best at this, props). Fox has to jump into ganon's range in order actually attack him, so fox puts more risk into his punishments.
I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. All matchups are assumed to be played "correctly" when discussing average outcomes of such. And reading this just really makes me feel like you haven't played any good Ganons.
not sure if i have anything to say to this, didn't read what u were commenting on....
Well, that's good. My bad for sorta snapping at you, but you are notorious for backing up your opinions, regardless of how biased or misguided they may be, to the point of being a ****. You've done it with me before several times, but that's no excuse for me anything but friendly. My apologies.
yeah, i get a little intense when i argue (sometimes i call it debating, probably not right now). Its probably because of this simple argument here. I would love to play linguini and kage, but havent left MW yet. I seem to remember going even with rockcrock in the few friendlies we played when he came to POE3.