r3d d09
Smash Master
Okay. Ha. Such good wifi that there is not lag at all 
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General ICs Q&A Thread
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Silvair
Smash Rookie
I've got a question.
So, when performing hobbling or the dthrow -> fair chaingrab, is it true that Ice Blocks make the victim stand up, unable to roll away or get-up attack? Because I cannot seem to get that to work at all. Ever. Period.
Is there something specific in the timing? Or ... ?
So, when performing hobbling or the dthrow -> fair chaingrab, is it true that Ice Blocks make the victim stand up, unable to roll away or get-up attack? Because I cannot seem to get that to work at all. Ever. Period.
Is there something specific in the timing? Or ... ?
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
If its a percent lower than (35?), then they will stay standing up.
At the higher percents, all you need to do is buffer the ice block, unless they tech it, they will always get up right after.
If you wait too long, then it wont work at all.
At the higher percents, all you need to do is buffer the ice block, unless they tech it, they will always get up right after.
If you wait too long, then it wont work at all.
r3d d09
Smash Master
You beat me to it :/
J4pu
Smash Champion
don't practice the bthrow hobble ice block forced getup on bowser, it doesn't work
Silvair
Smash Rookie
Okay, so, basically, post the 'get on the ground' hit, I need to be hitting the b-button so that popo hits the opponent with an ice block almost instantly?
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Pretty much. The should hit the ground, then about 5 frames later be hit with Ice Block.
Err, I dont think I've said it before so I'll tell you now.
Boswer's get up animation is too fast for Back Throw and Forward throw hobbling, The ONLY working hobble on him is D-Throw hobbling.
It works a lot like F-throw hobbling, except the timing is easier. The biggest problem I have with it is that sometimes you may accidentally buffer a jump with popo , then throw the Ice Block.
My question to you all is how to I handle the Diddy MU? I'm trying to gain some MU experience and need adivce.
X-FACTOR
Smash Journeyman
Meh, MLG gonna suck for us.... -_-
Oh well, Free Hot Pockets & Dr.pepper!
Oh well, Free Hot Pockets & Dr.pepper!
r3d d09
Smash Master
uh, the diddy matchup. watch some of kakera's vids on diddy, very good representation on how you should treat the matchup.
00-Zero
Smash Journeyman
You tell lies Enda.
U-throw hobble works on Bowser too haha
U-throw hobble works on Bowser too haha
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
On U-throw hobbles because its just a footstool, it cant lead into any attack /re-grab iirc.
00-Zero
Smash Journeyman
You can totally regrab from it. It causes his regular get up animation like hobbling on anyone else. You just usually have to b-reverse the ice block because he lands behind you.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
It takes too long to set up compared to D-throw hobbling, they can easily get out at 25%-
lrn2MLG
00-Zero
Smash Journeyman
That's true, but it's still contrary to what you said
"The ONLY working hobble on him is D-Throw hobbling."
=P
"The ONLY working hobble on him is D-Throw hobbling."
=P
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
Snakes Ftilt: what should i do vs it, and what should i NOT do vs it?
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Snakes Ftilt:
What to do against it - Run away, Shield, Blizzard.
What not to do against it - Get hit, Spotdodge/Roll.
Snakes F-tilt is ********, those are really the only options I can think of. If they misspace it and are in you face during the first hit you can shield grab before the second hit comes out.
What to do against it - Run away, Shield, Blizzard.
What not to do against it - Get hit, Spotdodge/Roll.
Snakes F-tilt is ********, those are really the only options I can think of. If they misspace it and are in you face during the first hit you can shield grab before the second hit comes out.
r3d d09
Smash Master
I love how that sounds. I want to attempt this sometime
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
you really need 2 shield buttons to power shield it?
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
That or hands fast enough to press shield in between the hitlag
r3d d09
Smash Master
it's also easier *for me anyways* to get a rhythm for something using two shield buttons instead of one.
Jigglypeach
Smash Apprentice
Hey could anyone help me with my grab game?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQiMYGWhdVM
In that vid lain does a grab from 1:36 to 1:40 and i just cant figure out how he does it. Could someone please explain to me how you do that grab? Oh and is it infi? Like is that grab 0-death?
Thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQiMYGWhdVM
In that vid lain does a grab from 1:36 to 1:40 and i just cant figure out how he does it. Could someone please explain to me how you do that grab? Oh and is it infi? Like is that grab 0-death?
Thanks
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
"everything that follows is a result of what you see here."
i suggest you go talk to elev8. he's probably the best IC in your state.
i suggest you go talk to elev8. he's probably the best IC in your state.
B0NK
Smash Lord
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The IC's boards should have their very own bot to post something like this automatically =P
sauc3
Smash Lord
For metaknight,
1. grab with popo, wait for nana's grab animation to be over.
***2. hit "back + grab" to regrab with nana (popo throws mk to nana)
3. hit "down" to triggor down-throw with nana.
4. walk a bit, and hit grab once you see/hear mk hit the floor (popo will grab mk from nana)
5. Repeat until high percents (usually around 110%), then smash (with popo since he's stronger)
*** for step 2, the back + grab speeds vary from character to character, but for mk you hit them at almost the same time, but if it isn't working trying grabbing a tiny bit after hitting back. Also, when you hit back, in step 2, hit it with authority, so nana pivot grabs, instead of dash grabs, it will make you walk less in step 4.
This is posted somewhere, although it isn't that easy to find, so I can understand why people always post this question here. So everyone, go easy on them.
I have a question. My play style is chain grabbing and i was wondering if someone could tell me all the characters that can chain grab. I havent been playing chain grab style for very long but once i picked up on ice climbers i just cant quit it lol.
So the characters i know of that can chain grab are ICs, Falco, G&W, D3. Im not sure about any other characters so if you know of any please tell me.
Oh and does kirbys Fthrow then Uair repeat count as a chain grab?
Thanks ^^
So the characters i know of that can chain grab are ICs, Falco, G&W, D3. Im not sure about any other characters so if you know of any please tell me.
Oh and does kirbys Fthrow then Uair repeat count as a chain grab?
Thanks ^^
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Sauc3, there was absolutely no reason to voice it when there are plenty of guides everywhere.
EDIT: Chain, G&W doesn't have any cg at all, if you're talking about D-Throw, you can tech it to get away.
CG'ing in general is a broad term, as there are character specific things that can happen. For example, Marth's Grab release infinite on Squirtle (which can lead to Dair).
EDIT: Chain, G&W doesn't have any cg at all, if you're talking about D-Throw, you can tech it to get away.
CG'ing in general is a broad term, as there are character specific things that can happen. For example, Marth's Grab release infinite on Squirtle (which can lead to Dair).
sauc3
Smash Lord
lol, chain grab style...
pikachu, forward and down (for a bit)
ike forward against wall
peach down (for a bit)
wario down (on bowser)
some characters have chaingrabs at like 0 with lol-di, and some characters have grab releases that combo into more grab releases (like yoshi and marth), if you count those, really who cares if kirby's fthrow-uair "counts" as a chain grab, it works (kinda, the repeat requires lol-DI)
+ gaw and snake have tech chaseable grabs if thats ur thing
lol, is it that big a deal? besides the videos on youtube either have no directions, or are outdated with crappy instructions. And the threads are kind of a pain in the *** to navigate through, and this person just wanted a quick answer, which i gave. My bad?
Ok thanks. But like what are the main characters that can 0-death chain grab? Or 0-100% chain grab?
Im mainly looking for the top 2 or 3. Im thinking IC's, Wario, Pikachu. But what do i know... im a noob xD.
So like if you could just tell me the best chain grabbers in the game that can work on almost any character that would be great ^_^
Im mainly looking for the top 2 or 3. Im thinking IC's, Wario, Pikachu. But what do i know... im a noob xD.
So like if you could just tell me the best chain grabbers in the game that can work on almost any character that would be great ^_^
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
There are characters that can 0-death w/o a grab.
Like sheik on some of the spacies.
DDD's another more obvious one to come to mind that wasn't mentioned.
Edit: nevermind, D3 was mentioned
Like sheik on some of the spacies.
DDD's another more obvious one to come to mind that wasn't mentioned.
Edit: nevermind, D3 was mentioned
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Like I said, character specific. Also, chain grab style, really? ... <_<
Sauc3, I try my best to ninja these boards, and the guides online are fine as they are, or else no one would know how to cg now.
EDIT: Chain, just know that your opponent will most likely know about this and have ways to avoid it. And why not search through all the boards carefully instead of posting?
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
If you really, really like infinites, then ICs are your best bet.
They have a relatively high learning curve though (usually depends on the player, but for most this is the case).
Sheik's ftilt lock works on Fox and Wolf iirc.
They have a relatively high learning curve though (usually depends on the player, but for most this is the case).
Sheik's ftilt lock works on Fox and Wolf iirc.
J4pu
Smash Champion
My first main was Falco, then I picked up Pika right before the Dthrow CG was discovered, I've played sheik ever since I started wifi (which Ive stopped playing because I hate it so much, but sheik's still cool), and now I have switched mains to IC's, I've always liked Bowser (he has grab release shenanigans) and D3 as well.
Does this mean I have a "chain grabbing playstyle?"
Does this mean I have a "chain grabbing playstyle?"
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
wario can CG more than bowser
he can CG falco, CF, Wolf, bowser, DK and Ganon :D
he can CG falco, CF, Wolf, bowser, DK and Ganon :D
r3d d09
Smash Master
you shouldn't have a CG style. bad news. you will get horrible habits. learn to win without CG's then bring CG's into your game.
sauc3
Smash Lord
for the record, i learned to chain grab on my own (tediously), cuz the videos on youtube sucked, and I hate reading through pages and pages of people asking how to chain grab then people answering "its posted on the boards, look it up", since clearly thats what i'm doing (and failing), and also, reading a tutorial is like reading a bad novel, when **** can easily be explained in 5 simple instructions
cuz posting is way easier, and doesn't require you to spend 20 minutes searching and reading,
also chain, only ics have true 0 to death combos, and if that isn't enough then brawl isn't for you.
play melee, or better, 64, its chalk full of them.