General ICs Q&A Thread

[Cirno]

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I thought my part was asking the question.

Was in a bit of a hurry and didn't feel like digging. Nevermind though, I found it.
Thanks I guess?

 

[B0NK]

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[r3d d09]

Bonk
+ 1 skill point.

 

[FrozenHobo]

its good to know i know longer have to post. you have all adopted my mentality, and it has given me so much more time to explore other topics.

 

[Rubberbandman]

Bonk
+ 1 Frozen point.

Corrected for accuracy.

 

[phi1ny3]

lawd, Peach is hard for ICs imo.

Against dair, do you just space blizzard, or would they be able to SDI -> punish with some quick aerials?

 

[J4pu]

When nana and Popo are normally synched, how many frames delayed are Nana's actions?

 

[sauc3]

When nana and Popo are normally synched, how many frames delayed are Nana's actions?

there's no delay in action, its a delay in reaction. ***** has to follow popo, so i guess the human reaction time, which is about 0.2s, which translates into about 12 frames.

Just using logic here, don't hate.

 

[sauc3]

lawd, Peach is hard for ICs imo.

Against dair, do you just space blizzard, or would they be able to SDI -> punish with some quick aerials?

peach is hella easy, but don't space blizzard cuz she can turnip through that ****.

Nair OoS works wonders against peach if she floats above you with dairs (bair if she floats up and behind you). Just wait for it to finish then ****.

They then have to work on alternate approaches, that you can usually adapt to and punish quite easily.

 

[EverAlert]

Edit: sauc3 you clearly didn't understand his question... :/

When nana and Popo are normally synched, how many frames delayed are Nana's actions?

5 Frames. (And before anyone else says it, NO, it's not 6 frames, that's Melee.)

lawd, Peach is hard for ICs imo.

LOL n1 br0. peach is hella easy.

 

[ch33s3]

lawd, Peach is hard for ICs imo.

Against dair, do you just space blizzard, or would they be able to SDI -> punish with some quick aerials?

Against dair, I CP MK and upb. That matchup is too annoying.

 

[Hylian]

I just wall peach with nairs and squall her when she throws a turnip >_>.

 

[r3d d09]

All this nair talk is gettin me wet. I need to satisfy my nair needs for once ha

 

[FrozenHobo]

I just wall peach with nairs and squall her when she throws a turnip >_>.

this, pretty much. its a bit annoying dealing with her floating tricks, but just shield -> punish and you should be straight. plus, the CG is pretty easy.

 

[Teh Future]

I don't think any of you have played a good peach

synced blizzard is really good against her though, she can't fall fast enough after she breaks out to hit you with anything

 

[r3d d09]

And you have? Your opinion doesn't matter losing to a Ganon made me lose respect for you

 

[phi1ny3]

Against dair, I CP MK and upb. That matchup is too annoying.

rofl that's such a horrible MU for Peach, I didn't realize how bad until I applied it.

@ everyone who replied: Thanks, didn't know oos aerials knock peach's approaches so hard .

 

[Hylian]

I don't think any of you have played a good peach

synced blizzard is really good against her though, she can't fall fast enough after she breaks out to hit you with anything

I've played almost every peach lol. I haven't played nicole..that's about it I think haha.

 

[r3d d09]

You aren't missing much ha. I've heard things

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Hey guys, I'm a GaW/random main, but I've been fooling around with IC's at a friend's place and can 0-high-percent or death his MK and Kirby using the backthrow-downthrow chaingrab (with less than 15 matches of IC experience lol). I enjoy playing as IC's, but I only have an HDTV at home. So my question is, is it a good idea to practice chaingrabs on an HDTV, or should I just keep my IC playing to regular TV's? I know IC chaingrabs require virtually perfect timing at high percents, and I'm worried that practicing on an HDTV too much will make my timing completely wrong.

Also, some of you guys may have heard about me from Grimice. We often play smash together (though he has a tendency to roll into my 9's... even when I judgement the wrong way lol). I don't know what he says here, but his IC's aren't that good. They are soo bad that Nana just gives up and walks away and suicides at least once a match. (lol jk Grim's pretty good <3 )

But yeah, I'm picking up like 15 characters and trying to get them at high enough level play, and I'm trying to make IC's one of them. Is practicing chaingrabs on an HDTV a bad idea?

 

[sauc3]

Is practicing chaingrabs on an HDTV a bad idea?

practice???

 

[r3d d09]

Depends howmuch lag is on the tv.

 

[ch33s3]

I learned on both. MLG uses HDs *sigh*.

 

[kackamee]

^ Lol. Makes IC's EVEN worse.

 

[J4pu]

if they dont have component cables that's just sad
if they do, theres no difference right?

 

[FrozenHobo]

but we have green greens legal! how can we lose?

 

[ch33s3]

Green Greens is great for the ICs, and component cables REDUCE, but do NOT eliminate lag.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Lets just say my hdtv sucks. I play smash 64 competitively, and the TV lags so much that I can't play smash 64 at all at home (sure it's a couple of frames, but... well, for those of you who play smash 64, you'll know one frame changes everything).

So basically, the TV lags immensely.

 

[X-FACTOR]

Wait so mlg is using only HDTV!?

Oh! are any out of state IC coming to MLG FL.

 

[ch33s3]

I'll be there.

 

[Aglow]

I won't be there unfortunately. I'm trying to be fiscally responsible.

 

[FrozenHobo]

what he said. i have no money.

 

[r3d d09]

I've been playing on HDTV's for months now. there is a tiny bit of difference. if anything. maybe one frame, that depends on what brand and what not.

 

[FrozenHobo]

uh... its definitely more noticeable that one frame. my friends and i compare it to wifi lag.

 

[kackamee]

It's doable, IMO. But honestly, I think it's kinda dumb that they would use thoe kinda TV's knowing that they could effect gameplay.

 

[r3d d09]

Depends on the model, year, and brand. The TV's i play on are very good.

 

[Teh Future]

HDTVs can be very bad or almost unnoticeable (I always notice it now but its still playable on most). Like rthreed dzeronine said it depends on the TV.

Also there are no safe OoS options against Peachs dair D: You have to avoid being under her unless you have a full shield. nair/bair only works depending on what the do after the dair is over. nair will come out before it and she can just float backwards and punish you with fair after your hitbox

 

[r3d d09]

I found that out this weekend too :/

 

[Rubberbandman]

Depends on the model, year, and brand. The TV's i play on are very good.

Pretty much. The HDTV practice on has unnoticeable lag imo. I'm going to try and get this other TV in here to test it though.

I have played on a non HDTV and still CG'd prefectly. Maybe we should look up TVs and make a list. =P

 

[ch33s3]

HDTV is like playing in a decent wifi connection. Pain in the ***, and I hate it, but I'll deal.