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This is all blatant bias too, so don't flatter yourself, why don't you explain how Skull Kid is relevant in Brawl if he wasn't in Melee? It's pointless, Majora's had it's representation in Melee and guess what? NO Skull Kid, adding him now, not only it doesn't represent Zelda's newer generation games and characters, it belittles them, Vaati is a much more current and deserving villain, hell even Tetra is more deserving than Skull Kid.
What's pointless? The fact that you can't seem to draw logical conclusions from ANYTHING and instead base everything solely upon your own opinions and desires?
WTF are u talking about, pit is a RETRO character, in which hes part of a series who is no longer contiuing...
Again, Zelda focusing on her newest installments in Brawl is not an opinion.
Assumption or fact?
I forgot what Skull Kid was wearing in his face.
Tingle is more reocurring and important than Skull Kid, I don't see you supporting him, please, stop using those lame cameos as an argument, they add absolutely nothing to the games in which they take place and don't make him deserving or important in any way, Vaati has been reoccurring too, so has Tetra, I still don't see what makes you think Skull Kid is more deserving than them, plus, all of what you have stated is far more biased.
Tingle has two games starring him and has made appearances in seven Zelda games, he is far more important than Skull Kid and did you even play Twilight Princess? I guess you don't know that Midna IS the Twilight Princess, the reason why the whole game starts in the first place.
QFT It's been said a lot of times in this thread but still everybody thinks that Midna was far more important to the series but she didn't do a lot of things they only needed an other sidekick then a fairy who everybody hates. and don't forget not only did he bring the apocalypse on the land of termina he ruined the enveryment (something
) and he did a lot of other things (sidequests) And without the SK in TP Link wouldn't got the master sword and couldn't defeat ganondorf and would be still a wolf. Then there is the fact that Midna couldn't return because the mirror of twilight is broken and so she wouldn't continue in the series futhermore SK could still get some cameos or some rolesAre they focusing on the latest installments, or the latest graphics? There is a difference you know. Brawl is not "representing Twilight Princess", the same way Skull Kid's inclusion would not be "representing Majora's Mask". I don't know where you came up with this argument, but it's trash. Simply because Link and Zelda have their most recent graphics does not mean that they are representing TP. Again, they are representing THEMSELVES AS CHARACTERS, not the game itself.
What was the point of this? You tell me that if I had any sliver of logic that I would realize Skull Kid wouldn't be in Brawl, and then have the nerve to ask me this?
How many times must I repeat the same thing over before you finally understand it? The characters in Super Smash Bros. do not represent their games, they represent THEMSELVES. The mask is a symbol of Skull Kid's prime status in the series. Sure he could be included as a playable character without it, but everyone agrees that he would be a MUCH better character with it on.I forgot what Skull Kid was wearing in his face.
Oh yeah, I forgot in what game that mask appeared.[/sarcasm]
They both fit the "reoccurring character" status, you're right. But guess what? I'm not basing the 4th Zelda character's spot solely on that point.
Oh, well, when you put it that way I guess Geno isn't a very deserving character then. Right? You're arguments are pure garbage.
See my argument against Tingle above. Vaati and Tetra?
Again, your opinions mean nothing to me or anyone else, and continue to bring nothing of value to this argument.
Don't be stupid, there's a stage and Link's completely updated weaponry to Twilight Princess, to prove you wrong, in case you've been living under a rock.
If OoT got a rep in Sheik, what stopped Majora's from getting a rep in Skull Kid? That was my question, Majora's got rep in Melee, through a stage, if there was no character then, why should there be now?
If he has the mask, he would be representing Majora's Mask, period, anyone who thinks that including him with the mask is not direct representation of Majora's but rather an homage to Skull Kid's lame cameo appearances in OoT and TP, is an idiot.
Now you're also a hypocrite, you say you're not basing his inclusion on how deserving he is because he is "reocurring", but yet you bring up his TP and OoT cameos to make him seem more deserving.
Moveset arguments are pointless, any character can have a moveset, in case you didn't know that, so please, stop using the "He has a moveset that writes itself" argument, cause it's not gonna get you anywhere.
Why was this even relevant?
No he's not, I still fail to see how bashing Geno makes Skull Kid more deserving though.
Someone needs to go play a Zelda game that isn't Majora's Mask before making himself look even more stupid, I wonder how much moveset potential Sheik had before Melee, you be the judge of that, again you and your moveset arguments, FAIL!
Yeah, you and your moveset arguments and justification of Skull Kid's role in the Zelda series does bring up a lot to the argument.[/sarcasm]
If you've ever played Melee, or heck, even the 64 version of SSB, you would have noticed that characters aren't entirely faithful to canon. Zelda's special moves were all stolen from Link's magic moves. Ness's moves were stolen from another Earthbound character. Since when did Falcon ever punch and kick with fire? Fox doesn't have a reflector, high-speed teleportation dashes or the ability to surround himself in flames in the StarFox games. The team chose to update his look and update his moves to fit that look. That does not mean that every other character in the game will be restricted by canon or represent only a single game.
Melee's moves were completely based on OoT, which was the important Zelda game at the time, right now however they are focusing on TP, Link's entire moveset is based on TP, you have to be blind to not see that.
You'd have to be foolish to dismiss the movesets of nearly every other character in both games. Besides, Adult Link can't use a boomarang, and Young Link can't use fire arrows. Clearly, if Link was representing only OoT, he was being rather inconsistent about it. In addition, most of Link's moves in Melee (e.g. arrows, bombs, boomarang) also appeared in other Zelda titles. Link has a TP look and slightly modified TP-oriented moves. So what? It's not like he didn't have all of those moves already, though in slightly different forms. You're reading too far into it and ignoring too much if you think that Link is representing TP and only TP.
I said Melee's moves, not Link's moves, they clearly weren't faithful to the actual games, but they were OoT oriented either way, as for Brawl, please even the special moves and Link's character profile update say he is based on TP, I'm not reading too much into it since it is clearly stated there, you have to be a complete fool to think he isn't representing TP.
I'll give you that, but I still feel, in my opinion, that they are representing the current graphics of the Zelda franchise and not the game Twilight Princess itself. Good evidence, but until I see Midna's face appear in this game, I still don't feel it is good enough.
You couldn't figure this out for yourself? Shiek's character was a part of Zelda's, and it only makes sense to either include them together, or without Shiek. Regardless, it is still only three characters since Shiek is the same as Zelda.
I fail to see how your opinion would change the fact that what I said was the truth. The mask has become a part of Skull Kid's image, it is a symbol of his prime status in the series. In future titles, I don't expect him to be wearing the mask. But it still represents a part of the character himself, whether you don't feel it does or not.
Hypocrite? Don't give me that trash. I stated very well in my first post on this thread that he has mind blowing moveset potential, and made sure to emphasize it. I just backed up that potential with other FACTS to support his inclusion. I never changed my argument, I ADDED more to it.
No, they aren't. This is a game, so gameplay is something that should be taken into account, generally. Sure, any character can have a moveset. Will it be anywhere near as good as Skull Kid's? That's the problem, it won't even come close, and you know it. You continue to avoid my points and make obvious generalizations, thinking I won't jump right back into this and show that you are mistaken.
Because characters with lame movesets are not fun to play as? Why's that so difficult to understand? We want this game to be as fun as it could possibly be, and throwing in characters with trash movesets just doesn't work.
I NEVER bashed Geno. You just said that a "lame cameo character" like Skull Kid doesn't deserve to make it. If not, then what do you classify Geno's character appearances as?
It's pretty hard to think of THREE SPECIAL MOVES for a ninja character like Shiek. Besides, she already used her Up+B multiple times in Oot. But guess what? You just proved my point. Shiek's moveset IS lame, which stems from a lack of potential. Shiek was a fun and high tiered character because of everything BUT her specials. I'll admit that the needles are quite useful, but they are also probably the most boring and un-inspired move in the game.
I'd like a better answer than another one of your garbage opinions, please.
as good as it may sound majora skull kid wouldn't have a good move set
Uh, the A moves and aerial attacks are all generic...they require no thought at all and hardly represent the character's true abilities.
Sheik is another representative, whether she is a transformation or not.
What you said is nothing that your own point of view and justification of Majora's Mask not being relevant enough to get representation at this point, the Mask is an element solely from Majora's Mask, is not an element of Skull Kid's character as you are making it out to be, if he has the mask he would be representing Majora's Mask, since well you know, that's THE TITLE OF THE GAME!
What facts? I'd love to see these facts, cause you thinking Skull Kid's mind blowing moveset would be amazing or that you think having him with the mask isn't direct representation of Majora's or that his stupid cameos are enough to make him important within the Zelda universe are not facts.
Again with the moveset, a moveset doesn't make a character deserving or more likely so you need to stop arguing about it, specially when you speak like it's a fact that Skull Kid's moveset is amazing as if it was already in the game, we're all predicting movesets for our favorite characters that seem to fit them the best, in the end you have no idea how amazing or not amazing his moveset can be so you should stop bringing it up.
That seems to be your particular trash opinion as you seem to be calling it, you may not enjoy one characters moveset but someone else will so to generalize like that makes you look like an idiot.
I said Skull Kid's lame cameos don't make him important, not that he was a complete lame cameo character, stop twisting my words.
Wow! And I'm the one throwing in biased crap? Just because you think Sheik's moveset is lame or that Midna's, Vaati's, Tetra's or Tingle's moveset would have lame "uninspired" movesets, doesn't mean everyone is going to agree with you, you're just trying to belittle those characters to make Skull Kid look good with his "mindblowing" moveset, how pathetic!
That's your opinion.
Yeah, according to YOU it means something, we all though Lucas was gonna have moves from his game, he didn't, we all think Krystal will be in Brawl with her staff, we are yet to be proven right or wrong on that, there's no such thing as the perfect character with the perfect moveset, it is all very subjective and irrelevant to a real discussion.
Again, you think they are all a bunch of lame, bland, unispired characters, stop bashing other characters because they don't fit your standards, not once, have I bashed Skull Kid's moveset possibilities nor playstyle, because it's pointless, since you have absolutely no idea how it would turn out.
Who said an Animal Crosser wouldn't be in Brawl? I don't want one in, but you speak as if it was a fact.
No, Assist Trophies are in Brawl to represent minor characters who don't deserve to be playable, like Skull Kid.
You're not giving anything to debate about, just a bunch of biased crap and moveset arguments that in your ignorance makes you think it actually raises Skull Kid's chances, please, Captain Falcon, Fox, Mr. Game and Watch and Zelda among others, had absolutely no potential movesets before the Smash series, you are giving absolutely NOTHING to discuss, a moveset is not a reason for a character to be included.
Nice way to end the argument, with yet another biased post.
Fine. You've tore down my argument, now it's your turn.
Midna and Vaati both have moveset potential, not only Midna has those forcefield things she does to defeat the Twilight enemies when she is on Wolf Link, her hair could serve as a grab, the attack she used to kill Zant, she can teleport and she also has an already there Final Smash, which is the Fused Shadow transformation, Vaati can turn people into stone, has enough magic to make a moveset from and he has also the transformation from the final battle of the Minish Cap, they all have moveset potential, not to mention the other fact, that they are currently relevant to the Zelda franchise, Skull Kid despite having that said cameo in TP, it still doesn't make him important nor is it a role that has any merit to grant him an appearance, let alone representing Majora's Mask.
So as much of a struggle it is to formulate a moveset for Midna and Vaati, I can see that it's possible. I already know that they each have a few moves here and there, but it's really not as all-out complete as Skull Kid's moveset. To me, Skull Kid is just a character waiting to be added, and the only thing stopping him is that he isn't "deserving enough." I feel that is a shame and a massive waste of potential.
Sure, go right ahead. xD
