Ike's good moves and when to use them!

[Nidtendofreak]

First response to Doop Walking: O_o Great. Now the metagame is going to have everyone spinning around like tops.

Apparently, you can do any tilt out of this easily, so Dtilt will be easier to land in battle I guess. I don't see how it would help ftilt much besides spinning away once and then throwing it out for mindgames. I'd rather have my C-tilt though.

 

[comboking]

Have you actually tried this? I was impressed by the video, but I don't think it would help Ike much because the hitbox for his dash attack either at his feet when he starts (which hits them up) or in front of him when it ends (which hits them out). This is theoretical, but it seems as though hitting with the first hitbox wouldn't be strong enough to send the opponent off-stage, and hitting with the second hitbox wouldn't send Ike off-stage (and there would be too much cool-down time to follow up with DAir).

yes, it works on some characters. I did it to snake (you have to use the right DA hitbox) or you can foot stool jump off of snake's head and then grab him out of his up then grab release and watch the magic

 

[Palpi]

I think down tilt could be a wee bit higher. D-tilt is a bit difficult to land on your opponent because it is slow and has small hit box (generally) but other than spiking offstage at like 30% (estimate) you can dtilt then instantly go into a ftilt, sh fair or jab cancel combo.

I agree with others, saying the doop walking really doesn't have much effect, because the smashes are too slow to hit anyway and the tilt stick can give you more effective tilts, but niether is really a necesity.

I would much rather get good at doop walking for mindgames then use tilt stick, so I am going to practice that for the next few days. I would like to utilize Ike's tilts more, because they are some low % kills.

 

[Guilhe]

It's the same thing as pivot boosting. I haven't seen many Ikes pivot boost so what's the point of this? Besides, you can use tilt stick with pivot boost which makes this more useless for Ike.

I haven’t tested it yet, but people say it is much easier to perform it than pivot boosting. I would say it is useful, as Ike moves faster while Doop walking than normal walking though he isn’t as fast Marth. So, why not? We will be moving faster and spacing better with our tilts and jabs still at our disposal. I'm considering letting go of walk-off Dair (again).

 

[comboking]

Just run jump and then Dair instead of walk-off.
it's an okay alternative (not the same whats so ever

 

[Palpi]

Yeah, i think if doop walking turns out to be really effecting with spacing walk off dairs will be long forgotton, but good alternative

 

[comboking]

are you talking about my alternative?!

 

[Guilhe]

I’ve tested it, and haven’t found any use for it. It is as the description says at the OP’s video demonstration: a neutral doop walk. In other words, Ike doesn’t receive any boost from it and you can’t perform walk-off Dairs anymore.

 

[Palpi]

are you talking about my alternative?!

Lol, yeah. Wasn't trying to sound sarcastic if it came off to be, but if there sarcrifices to make, a perfectly times first / second jump can make up for it.

 

[comboking]

oh yeah I guess your right

If you hold down lightly on the control stick, you won't fastfall while doing an aerial. It is more difficult this way than with c-stick set to attack, but preferable, at least for me.

And he means doing the pivot until you fall offstage and dair. I guess.

o_o

Is this true?

 

[Palpi]

I couldn't tell you right now, but I will test it out tonight or tomorrow.

 

[comboking]

I tried for a bit didn't get it to work though

 

[Palpi]

I would suggest tilting in other direction then using cstick, but really I have no idea how it works.

Hopefully if this is proven correct, we can have walk off down airs, and doop walking. EVERY BODY WINS!

 

[comboking]

I hope it is
I will try more

 

[san.]

Lightly tapping the control stick does work. But why risk something like that? Just keep attack stick lol. There are lots of situations where you may need to do a dair with no downward DI in a quick reaction.

 

[Palpi]

I still get like 1/4 of my dairs are nairs on attack sticking. If you walk off dair and it comes out as a nair, you WILL not get back.

 

[comboking]

Just master walkoff Dairs without the A-Stick. Thats what I am doing

 

[Palpi]

u mean..manually doing something?

like id ever

 

[comboking]

yes
Doop walking leads to other AT's.

 

[Palpi]

ive been practicing doop walking and i mean against a comp it kinda works

but past mind games i cant see it being completely beneficial as a legit technique i mean approach with a jab combo or ftilt but it doesnt seem to be worth the thinking in an actualy match

 

[Ussi]

Doop walking allows retreating ftilts!

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

I think this thing is going to really help marth out. Seeing as his was like better than wave dashing lol. Also what happened to the stage thread?

 

[comboking]

yah we might want that it also leads to this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orjJOD9PLQQ&feature=channel and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMAN-YmPhwc&feature=channel

 

[Ussi]

whenever college isn't kicking my butt I'll write something about stages.

 

[Palpi]

Man, I am still practicing doop walking, and i guess retreating ftilt cant be good 100~% killer, but i guess it is just so unfamiliar to me, i cant comprehend, more practice i guess.

 

[comboking]

I should practice to

 

[Guilhe]

Doop walking allows retreating ftilts!

How’s that? Ike’s doop walk is just as fast as normal walking.

 

[Palpi]

i think for ike it would be mainly mindgames

i am using doop walking andd pivot dashing with my marth though working well

 

[comboking]

yah I will do this with my Marth too.
yah we might want that it also leads to this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orjJO...eature=channel and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMAN-...eature=channel

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

because this way Ike turns around over and over. If he walks then he faces the other way. I think this gives a slide to attacks too doesn't it? Can this be done with the attack stick btw? I didn't bother reading the whole doop walking thing.

 

[Ussi]

Smash stick only

 

[comboking]

no because you jump if you use the tilt stick. you also can't do an aerial while holding A

 

[Palpi]

I gave up on attack stick, I would like to use doop walking to the best of its abilities but as I see it now atleast for Ike it can't go further than mindgame and maybe spacing, given the right amount of time.

I have been manually practicing walk off dairs and it has been going good, but I can't see myself in a tense match doing that and surviving lol. Practice helping but utilizing your practice into a match can be a hard transition.

 

[comboking]

i am giving up A-stick too.
I will use both C-stick and Tilt-stick on wifi

 

[Guilhe]

because this way Ike turns around over and over. If he walks then he faces the other way. I think this gives a slide to attacks too doesn't it? Can this be done with the attack stick btw? I didn't bother reading the whole doop walking thing.

Maybe you can buffer an Ftilt, but you won’t perform it while sliding.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Maybe doopwalking can be used to get turned around Usmashes in more easily? Seeing that the back has more range and all. It's a way to set it up without being committed to it along with built-in mindgames. Maybe it would work with Dsmash as well (but Dsmash it probably too slow still....)

 

[Ragnar0k]

His Fsmash is his best move. Use it all the time. Every time you charge it someone will trip into it.

 

[comboking]

you better be kidding

 

[Palpi]

I have further ventured into Ike's doop walking and I noticed that low % nairing then doop walking forward for a f-tilt is actally fairly effective. I think it could be more useful if Ike's jab wasn't recurring, but it also can be used out of a combat walk when your opponent DI's out of it.

 

[Ussi]

Hey guys, I've added rating to the moves. I know there are probably some numbers wrong, so care to correct me?